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CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19431814
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My head hurts!

I can't help but notice the total lack of posts in the R10, and Rp threads.
Contrast that with when the 10D and first Rebel came out, those were the most popular bodies on this forum.

Makes me wonder who they think is going to buy all these additional models.
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The Rebel DSLRs were truly priced for mass sales to the regular guy. . I mean, for years and years and years I could walk into any Best Buy or Walmart in the country and see a couplefew different Rebel models on the shelf, for literally a few hundred bucks. . Like $299 for the body alone or $379 for the body with a kit lens.

Contrast that to today's Canon "budget" offernings, which are pushing a freaking thousand dollars. . A thousand freaking dollars for a bottom-tier, handicapped, crippled camera body! . NOBODY is going to walk into a Walmart for milk and a greeting card and walk out with an R10 or RP as an impulse purchase. . But that is exactly what happened thousands and thousands of times with the digital Rebels.

It's as if Canon is completely and utterly ignoring the market segment of people who have a few hundred dollars to spend on an interchangeable lens camera. . Just ignoring them completely. . Sheesh!


please don't respond to this post saying something about how all of those $300 Rebel impulse purchases are dead because those customers are now content with their cell phones ... I already know all about how cell phone cameras have displaced interchangeable lens cameras, and I don't need anybody to tell me, or remind me, about that which I am already acutely aware of

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CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19431814
My head hurts!

I can't help but notice the total lack of posts in the R10, and Rp threads.
Contrast that with when the 10D and first Rebel came out, those were the most popular bodies on this forum.

Makes me wonder who they think is going to buy all these additional models.


To me right now there are 4 Canon bodies, R5, R6, R7 and R3,. everything else is totally off my radar.

has the RP & R10 been added to the Gear section?

My guess as to why no R10 & RP may be the sort of photog that posts out of Facebook, Instagram, etc.

Also iPhone & Android pretty much killed off the consumer ILC market.

I recall delaying the purchase of a dSLR on Jan 2003 knowing that a EOS D60 replacement will be out in months time. True enough a few weeks later an announcement for the EOS 10D.

Back then I did not realize how big of a deal is a dSLR was.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19431840
You cannot compare the entirety of Sony's lineup to Canon, unless you also include ALL of the Canon mirrorless ILC models. You are missing several.

Canon was behind the 8 ball with the R mount, so in the time of the R and RP and M50 release, how many has Sony come out with? Certainly not very many... The market for ILC has diminished greatly over the last 3-5 years, long after Sony made many of their mirrorless.

Comparing directly is how most businesses operate.

The Sony FF & APS-C bodies I numbered are all in stock models on BH, Adorama & other major camera retailers.

EF-M mount is as good as a deadend like Nikon's 1-mount.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19431843
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The Rebel DSLRs were truly priced for mass sales to the regular guy. . I mean, for years and years and years I could walk into any Best Buy or Walmart in the country and see a couplefew different Rebel models on the shelf, for literally a few hundred bucks. . Like $299 for the body alone or $379 for the body with a kit lens.

Contrast that to today's Canon "budget" offernings, which are pushing a freaking thousand dollars. . A thousand freaking dollars for a bottom-tier, handicapped, crippled camera body! . NOBODY is going to walk into a Walmart for milk and a greeting card and walk out with an R10 or RP as an impulse purchase. . But that is exactly what happened thousands and thousands of times with the digital Rebels.

It's as if Canon is completely and utterly ignoring the market segment of people who have a few hundred dollars to spend on an interchangeable lens camera. . Just ignoring them completely. . Sheesh!

please don't respond to this post saying something about how all of those $300 Rebel impulse purchases are dead because those customers are now content with their cell phones ... I already know all about how cell phone cameras have displaced interchangeable lens cameras, and I don't need anybody to tell me, or remind me, about that which I am already acutely aware of

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All the brands are pushing up market as the consumer digital still camera is essentially dead. Hence FF starting at $900.

They're wise to ignore the $300-400 customer as they're too few to buy the volume necessary to produce these bodies at economies of scale.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19431843
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The Rebel DSLRs were truly priced for mass sales to the regular guy. . I mean, for years and years and years I could walk into any Best Buy or Walmart in the country and see a couplefew different Rebel models on the shelf, for literally a few hundred bucks. . Like $299 for the body alone or $379 for the body with a kit lens.

Contrast that to today's Canon "budget" offernings, which are pushing a freaking thousand dollars. . A thousand freaking dollars for a bottom-tier, handicapped, crippled camera body! . NOBODY is going to walk into a Walmart for milk and a greeting card and walk out with an R10 or RP as an impulse purchase. . But that is exactly what happened thousands and thousands of times with the digital Rebels.

It's as if Canon is completely and utterly ignoring the market segment of people who have a few hundred dollars to spend on an interchangeable lens camera. . Just ignoring them completely. . Sheesh!

please don't respond to this post saying something about how all of those $300 Rebel impulse purchases are dead because those customers are now content with their cell phones ... I already know all about how cell phone cameras have displaced interchangeable lens cameras, and I don't need anybody to tell me, or remind me, about that which I am already acutely aware of

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Tom- That market was abandoned by camera MFG's because of the I-phone. Kids today will spend the $$$ on an I-phone upgrade....And rightly so...they are probably better cameras and have more features that the kids want v/s entry level dslrs.....PLUS....They now make lens and accessories for smart phones....kids are jumping all over them

Which brings me to my next point

Top tier DSLR's are being given away now by photographers who think that a mirrorless camera is superior to a DSLR.......but if you really compare sensor performance and AF performance.....The DSLR is an equal camera if you know how to use it....It lacks auto eye focus and because of this people think mirrorless is better......so sad.....there is nothing a top tier mirrorless can do that a top tier DSLR cannot do...except auto eye focus

umphotography wrote in post #19431858
Tom- That market was abandoned by camera MFG's because of the I-phone. Kids today will spend the $$$ on an I-phone upgrade....And rightly so...they are probably better cameras and have more features that the kids want v/s entry level dslrs.....PLUS....They now make lens and accessories for smart phones....kids are jumping all over them

Which brings me to my next point

Top tier DSLR's are being given away now by photographers who think that a mirrorless camera is superior to a DSLR.......but if you really compare sensor performance and AF performance.....The DSLR is an equal camera if you know how to use it....It lacks auto eye focus and because of this people think mirrorless is better......so sad.....there is nothing a top tier mirrorless can do that a top tier DSLR cannot do...except auto eye focus

Mike,

On our forum I've seen a many R5 & R3 owners doing images I'd rarely see posted prior to 2020 appearing as often as the last 24 months even especially considering COVID's impact on supply chain.

Having spoken to them they say the AF performance for animals, birds, cars and other objects was a game charger for them.

Their feedback was so compelling that I was about to get an R5 but paused realizing that I have been birding 1x every 2-3 years sine 2014! So why buy another body that I would not use more than 2 days in a given week for 52 weeks of every year?

TBH I wish my last dSLR was the Dec 2009 EOS 1D Mark IV so over a decade's tech improvement would have lapsed.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19431843
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The Rebel DSLRs were truly priced for mass sales to the regular guy. . I mean, for years and years and years I could walk into any Best Buy or Walmart in the country and see a couplefew different Rebel models on the shelf, for literally a few hundred bucks. . Like $299 for the body alone or $379 for the body with a kit lens.

Contrast that to today's Canon "budget" offernings, which are pushing a freaking thousand dollars. . A thousand freaking dollars for a bottom-tier, handicapped, crippled camera body! . NOBODY is going to walk into a Walmart for milk and a greeting card and walk out with an R10 or RP as an impulse purchase. . But that is exactly what happened thousands and thousands of times with the digital Rebels.

It's as if Canon is completely and utterly ignoring the market segment of people who have a few hundred dollars to spend on an interchangeable lens camera. . Just ignoring them completely. . Sheesh!

please don't respond to this post saying something about how all of those $300 Rebel impulse purchases are dead because those customers are now content with their cell phones ... I already know all about how cell phone cameras have displaced interchangeable lens cameras, and I don't need anybody to tell me, or remind me, about that which I am already acutely aware of

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I guess I don't remember any model of Rebel being originally listed under $500, even the lowest end like the T7.

For example, even the SL1 was listed well above $500 and later after a couple of years or so, they dropped.

Then again, it was a different era, back when fast food meals were $6-7, steak dinners were under $10 and butter prices were well under half of what they are today.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19431866
I guess I don't remember any model of Rebel being originally listed under $500, even the lowest end like the T7.

For example, even the SL1 was listed well above $500 and later after a couple of years or so, they dropped.

Then again, it was a different era, back when fast food meals were $6-7, steak dinners were under $10 and butter prices were well under half of what they are today.

On promo BH has the 2018 Canon EOS Rebel T100 DSLR Camera with 18-55mm Lens for under $300.

iPhone & Android are a better value to these users. I'd rather get a new iPhone every 24 months than an ILC every decade.

Utilization itself is key.

dolina wrote in post #19431852
Comparing directly is how most businesses operate.

The Sony FF & APS-C bodies I numbered are all in stock models on BH, Adorama & other major camera retailers.

EF-M mount is as good as a deadend like Nikon's 1-mount.

If Sony bodies that are still selling at retailers count for this discussion, so do the EFM models that are also currently for sale.

Again Sony was well ahead of Canon with mirrorless, so it makes sense they could release MKII and MKIII versions pretty easily with just marginal updates on some of the models.

With the current numbering conventions of R# (and a rumored R100), Canon has slots for 5 more models; R1, R4, R8, R9 and R100 if rumors hold true. Having 11 models is more than enough in today's market, but it will take a few years to even fill this lineup, provided they have enough planned models to fill these remaining slots.

umphotography wrote in post #19431858
...there is nothing a top tier mirrorless can do that a top tier DSLR cannot do...except auto eye focus

And 195 FPS electronic shutter, and both eye tracking and eye control AF, separate things. Touchscreen.

How about less-than-top-tier mirrorless and less-than-top-tier DSLR?

Talking to users, I'd say focus in general is the big draw. Was talking to a guy at a tennis match last spring who had rented an R6 for the week. He shot a lot of sports for the school. He said the percentage of in-focus keepers was WAY higher than with whatever DSLR he had been using. He essentially didn't have any rejects... they were all keepers. I don't think he was using eye focus; just subject tracking.

And you can get this with a $1500 mirrorless now, close to the performance of the top tier.

POTS is filled with posts where users say how they simply don't use their 7D2/5D4/whatever after getting a mirrorless. That wouldn't happen if there were no real benefit.

umphotography wrote in post #19431858
Tom- That market was abandoned by camera MFG's because of the I-phone. Kids today will spend the $$$ on an I-phone upgrade....And rightly so...they are probably better cameras and have more features that the kids want v/s entry level dslrs.....PLUS....They now make lens and accessories for smart phones....kids are jumping all over them

Which brings me to my next point

Top tier DSLR's are being given away now by photographers who think that a mirrorless camera is superior to a DSLR.......but if you really compare sensor performance and AF performance.....The DSLR is an equal camera if you know how to use it....It lacks auto eye focus and because of this people think mirrorless is better......so sad.....there is nothing a top tier mirrorless can do that a top tier DSLR cannot do...except auto eye focus

That eye AF has proven superior in marching band over my 5D4 in most cases, with a few situations where it actually caused me grief. I love how I can train the starting eye AF point over the student I want to shoot, and it follows them as they march around the frame. Also for family oriented photography, eye AF has been a great tool. However the other advantage is the burst rates when needed that you cannot get in a DSLR other than the 1DX3.

Having a good ISO 25600/32000 out of camera is nice too, this is where the R6 starts to walk away from the 5D4 from OOC results. That really saved me time on the last shoot where I had 900+ images to deliver.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19431870
If Sony bodies that are still selling at retailers count for this discussion, so do the EFM models that are also currently for sale.

Again Sony was well ahead of Canon with mirrorless, so it makes sense they could release MKII and MKIII versions pretty easily with just marginal updates on some of the models.

With the current numbering conventions of R# (and a rumored R100), Canon has slots for 5 more models; R1, R4, R8, R9 and R100 if rumors hold true. Having 11 models is more than enough in today's market, but it will take a few years to even fill this lineup, provided they have enough planned models to fill these remaining slots.

Why not add EF bodies to your list?

If you add the EF-M & RF-S bodies they equal 4. Matching Sony's 4 APS-C bodies.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19431872
However the other advantage is the burst rates when needed that you cannot get in a DSLR other than the 1DX3.

Another reason why I wish I replace every decade rather than to every next model.

I'd be so stoked to upgrade from a Dec 2009 1D Mark IV to a 2020 R5 or 2021 R3!

dolina wrote in post #19431876
Another reason why I wish I replace every decade rather than to every next model.

I'd be so stoked to upgrade from a Dec 2009 1D Mark IV to a 2020 R5 or 2021 R3!

The 1D4 was/is an awesome body, I would love to see a new APS-H in R mount. A move to the R5 would be very noticeable. My 5D4, when cropped, has both better IQ and more resolution than the 1D4, which is why I think the 5D4 is the best all arounder camera Canon has ever made, with the 1D4 nipping at its heels.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19431879
The 1D4 was/is an awesome body, I would love to see a new APS-H in R mount. A move to the R5 would be very noticeable. My 5D4, when cropped, has both better IQ and more resolution than the 1D4, which is why I think the 5D4 is the best all arounder camera Canon has ever made, with the 1D4 nipping at its heels.

What would have been nice would bumping up the consumer MILCs to APS-H at the same price point as APS-C bodies.

Camera maker's key marketing push is larger image sensors. Hence Fuji pushing the More Than Full Frame on their 0.79x crop MILC.