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How to make prints of sunset images?

 
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Oct 25, 2022 14:52 |  #1

I'd like to print some landscape images - mostly sunset photos with plenty of deep blacks and bright, heavily saturated, colours - at sizes probably ranging from 18x12" to maybe 48x28".

Ideally I'd like to be able to frame and sell such images (just a few of each), so I want them to have a quality appearance, and not have the "plastic" look of the sort of gloss 7x5" prints you get from a convenience store photo printer. In my head I'm thinking matt to slight satin "oil painting" look; but preserving the punch of the colours and depth in the blacks.

It's been probably 20 years since I last looked into photo printers (mostly inkjets) so I've no idea what's available (either in terms of buying a printer for home use, or paying for prints to be made). Could anyone "in the know" point me in the right direction of what I should be looking at?


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Nov 07, 2022 03:05 |  #2

My friend bought a good Canon printer and the amount of pain he went through getting decent prints put me off it for life. When you add in the cost of buying consumer quantities of ink it just worked out cheaper for me to go to a professional fine art printer (this guy did stuff for galleries).

I basically decided that if I was going to sell something I was going to sell it to someone who liked it enough to pay. I sold A3+ sized prints for 3 times what the printer was charging me.


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Nov 07, 2022 08:40 |  #3

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My friend bought a good Canon printer and the amount of pain he went through getting decent prints put me off it for life. When you add in the cost of buying consumer quantities of ink it just worked out cheaper for me to go to a professional fine art printer (this guy did stuff for galleries).

I basically decided that if I was going to sell something I was going to sell it to someone who liked it enough to pay. I sold A3+ sized prints for 3 times what the printer was charging me.

I get the impression that if you're planning on printing lots of images buying your own printer makes some sense. I probably won't be making many prints, but the problem is that I don't really know what to ask for from a commercial printer. I figure I won't be the first one printing these sorts of images so I was hoping others might have some advice.


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Nov 07, 2022 11:09 |  #4

I do my own printing and have been happy with the results. I've never tried to figure out the economics of it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it would be cheaper to send the work out - I'm pretty low volume - but I feel I have more control doing it myself. I occasionally exhibit my work and find that no matter how well I've proofed before printing, I frequently find things to tweak and end up printing multiple times to get it exactly right. The paper I use is Canon Pro Luster, a sort of semi-gloss and probably a finish you would like. My printer's maximum size is 13 x 19 - getting into a printer that will do the larger size you mentioned is going to be some serious money.

For sending work out, I would suggest looking at a place like White House Custom Color (whcc.com I think.) You should be able to get paper samples from them, and I think their FAQ page explains how to deal with color management. As I recall their pricing is pretty reasonable. I'd start by doing some small test prints with them - in fact I seem to recall them doing that for free.


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Nov 07, 2022 12:49 |  #5

For small prints doing your own with the paper you like is good. I have an Epson printer and the Epson luster papers worked well for me.

For enhanced colors then I would suggested a print on canvas. This would be better done by sending it out to a pro lab that does this type of printing and mounting. These take on the look of a vibrant water or oil type painting if you process it that way.

As far as regular prints papers from the lab that I choose from, Fuji Crystal Archive-gloss, Fuji Pearl-gloss, Kodak Endura Metallic. Some of these I have face mounted to acrylic or as typical framed type prints behind a UV type acrylic. Some simply mounted on Gator foam backing. These do not have any print protection so damage is a concern on those open prints.




  
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Nov 07, 2022 15:49 |  #6

Size costs money. Some multifunction printers and the least expensive photo printers are typically 13 inches wide, and if they don't take rolls, they are limited to 13 x 19. An example is the Canon Pixma Pro 200, which is about $550. The next step up is 17" wide, limited to 22" if it won't take rolls. An example is the Canon Prograf 1000, which will set you back about $1900. The next step up is 24" or thereabouts, like the Canon Prograf Pro 2100, which will set you back about $3000. And large printers typically take a lot of expensive pigment ink. I use a prograf Pro 1000, and a full set of 12 ink cartridges runs about $700.

So the bottom line IMHO is that for someone who is inexperienced, the best is to start small.

Printing is complex until you get the hang of it. You will need to learn about papers, softproofing, using ICC profiles, output sharpening, yada yada. Once you master all this stuff, it's not hard, but mastering it takes a good bit of work. It's not for everyone, as other posts here suggest. So I wouldn't invest much until you know your way around printing and are certain you want to do it.

Re papers: that's complicated because what's at issue is both appearance and durability. If you don't need archival quality, a logical place to start given your stated preference would be with a good satin or luster paper. However, better yet would be to get a sample pack from the companies that offer them and try the same print on a bunch of different papers to see what you like.

Finally, a big choice starting out is pigment vs. dye inks. If you want archival quality, there's no choice: you need to go with pigment, which is what I now use. However, if you don't care whether some prints may fade in a dozen years (or whatever), dye inks may be a good option. They are much less prone to clogging, and in my experience, you waste less of the expensive ink in self-cleaning. Of the printers above, only the smallest, the Pixma pro 200, uses dye inks.


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Nov 11, 2022 09:07 |  #7

I print my own images on a Canon imageprograf 1000 17" printer. Especially for the kind of high dynamic range image the OP refers to, I nearly always end up printing a few times to get it right so very much better to do myself IMO.

Regarding cost, we spend so much for the cameras and lenses that the incremental cost of a printer is small. These pigment printers are best if used at least a few times every week to prevent clogging issues.

Regarding paper, check our Red River Paper. They're a smaller company with excellent service and products including 17"x25" sheets.


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