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Regrets Going From DSLR to Mirrorless?

 
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Jan 24, 2023 02:06 |  #16

No regrets here. I love my R3 and the look of the images from the BSI stacked sensor. I used to use the 1DXmkII and there are so many more advantages of the R3 and mirrorless cameras that to go back to a DSLR would be to step back in time and retard my ability to capture the very best images that I am capable of doing so. So, no.




  
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Jan 24, 2023 02:52 |  #17

none here either - moved from a 1D-X to an R5. Still rocking a lot of old EF glass...


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Jan 24, 2023 06:39 |  #18

Impgard wrote in post #19471498 (external link)
No regrets here. I love my R3 and the look of the images from the BSI stacked sensor. I used to use the 1DXmkII and there are so many more advantages of the R3 and mirrorless cameras that to go back to a DSLR would be to step back in time and retard my ability to capture the very best images that I am capable of doing so. So, no.

Have you had opportunity to use any of the other R bodies? If so, how do the images they produce stack up to the R3? Does the R3’s stacked sensor make enough of a difference to produce discernibly different images?




  
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Jan 24, 2023 15:38 as a reply to  @ post 19471397 |  #19

Because my DSLR bodies still take the same great images they did before everyone had to have mirrorless. I take them out together to use with diffeerent lenses and situations where I don't want to be constantly changing lenses.The sensors on the DSLRs didn't quit functioning because of mirrorless.


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Jan 24, 2023 18:32 |  #20

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Have you had opportunity to use any of the other R bodies? If so, how do the images they produce stack up to the R3? Does the R3’s stacked sensor make enough of a difference to produce discernibly different images?

I have not. I came from the 1DXmkII to the R3, so I cannot comment on other Canon mirrorless bodies and their image qualities. All I know is that the R3's stacked sensor images looks noticeably better than the 1DXmkII's images.




  
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Jan 25, 2023 02:58 |  #21

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For the folks who have purchased mirrorless, yet retained their dSLR gear, WHY do you bring out the dSLR rather than use the mirrorless body? In what circumstances do you bring out the older stuff (besides in risky situations, or when you do not want to look like a monied target for theft)?

  • When I want more than one camera handy (like having different lenses mounted).
  • When I want to use flash. The mount adapter is impossble to get here, the ST-E10 seems to have some deficiences compared to the ST-E3-RT and you can't see the pre-flash illuminating obstructions in the viewfinder on the mirrorless.
  • When I want to record video and also use a sound recorder, which sends the mixed output to the camera, so I have the same sound track (with less quality) on the camera's file. The 1DX Mark II can handle line input for sound. The R3 can't.
  • If I want to pan when the light is dim. Nothing beats optical viewfinders in such cases.
  • When a 1DX camera is within reach, but the R3 is not. I don't go fetch the mirrorless then. It's not that much better.

I doubt the larger 1DX cameras would draw less attention to people with dubious minds.

As a summary, I don't regret buying a mirrorless, but I would have regret getting rid of the DSLR flock.

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Jan 25, 2023 08:12 |  #22

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=apersson850;19471841W​hen I want more than one camera handy (like having different lenses mounted).
  • When I want to use flash. The mount adapter is impossble to get here, the ST-E10 seems to have some deficiences compared to the ST-E3-RT and you can't see the pre-flash illuminating obstructions in the viewfinder on the mirrorless.
  • Interesting commentary, thanks. Just to be clear, the mount adapter is not necessary other than for weather sealing, right? Also, what deficiencies do you experience with the ST-E10?


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    Jan 25, 2023 08:31 |  #23

    I went from an 80D to an RP ... I shoot my kids sports and the RP was much worse at that, but I understood that going it ... I still got very good action shots with the 4fps RP, just less of them. Now that I have the R6, I can't think of a single reason to go back to a DSLR except maybe battery life


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    Jan 25, 2023 09:07 |  #24

    I am still straddling the fence, with the R6 and 5D4. Until 2 things happen, I will plan on keeping the 5D4, but it gets ever increasingly more difficult to shoot it as it is so different than the R6 in general use (with how I have the R6 set up).

    My R FF replacement for the 5D4 will need to have better spot AF (so likely I am waiting for a quad pixel AF sensor, or they shrink the AF spot AF down to fewer sensors), and it will need to have resolution closer to the 5D4, even a bit more, but not 45MPx of the R5.

    When these two things coalesce into a new R body that is priced very close to the $3K price range, that might be the day the ol' 5D4 gal gets cleaned all up, the box gets pulled out, all accessories, etc located, and it goes up for sale.

    As for the 2nd part of the R equation, I see no pertinent reason to switch to RF lenses at this point, and will retain and even buy a couple more EF lenses.


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    Jan 25, 2023 10:14 as a reply to  @ post 19471397 |  #25

    I will use my DSLR gear when I have 2 bodies in use. Otherwise, I may just use one of them for walk/drive outing.




      
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    Jan 25, 2023 11:11 |  #26

    apersson850 wrote in post #19471841 (external link)
    • When I want to use flash. The mount adapter is impossble to get here, the ST-E10 seems to have some deficiences compared to the ST-E3-RT and you can't see the pre-flash illuminating obstructions in the viewfinder on the mirrorless.

    • If I want to pan when the light is dim. Nothing beats optical viewfinders in such cases.




    As a summary, I don't regret buying a mirrorless, but I would have regret getting rid of the DSLR flock.

    Could you say a few more words about the quoted comments, to help with better understanding of the issue?


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    Jan 25, 2023 11:16 |  #27

    AntonLargiader wrote in post #19471896 (external link)
    Interesting commentary, thanks. Just to be clear, the mount adapter is not necessary other than for weather sealing, right? Also, what deficiencies do you experience with the ST-E10?

    In order to tighten the 600 EX-RT on the R3, you have to remove the weather seal. Otherwise there's a very high pressure on the camera, which in turn pulls the hotshoe upwards. We have seen on this forum how small the screws are holding it in place.

    When using flashes with the ST-E10, once they wen't into battery save, I couldn't wake them up remotely. I have to test better, because I think I could do that with the old unit.


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    Jan 25, 2023 11:47 |  #28

    Wilt wrote in post #19471975 (external link)
    Could you say a few more words about the quoted comments, to help with better understanding of the issue?

    Well, if you don't remove the gasket on the 600 EX-RT, the strain is high on the hot shoe. Or the flash isn't locked in place.

    I tried using the ST-E10 (very handy little thing) but as soon as the flashes went to battery save mode, it seemed I couldn't wake them up remotely again. I think I can with the older ST-E3-RT.

    When the pre-flash for E-TTL II fires, you can see it in the viewfinder in the DSLR cameras. Thus if there's an obstruction between you and the subject, like a branch from a tree, you can see that in the viewfinder and quickly take a new photo. When it's dark outside you don't see it until the flash fires. But the electronic viewfinder on the R3 doesn't show what the pre-flash looks like, so you can't see it there. When you find out, it's too late, when the subject is running.

    When panning with the camera in low light there's a noticeable stutter in the display of in the viewfinder. In an optical you don't get that.


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    Jan 25, 2023 13:42 |  #29

    apersson850 wrote in post #19471986 (external link)
    When panning with the camera in low light there's a noticeable stutter in the display of in the viewfinder. In an optical you don't get that.

    So, with the EVF showing a bright viewfinder to emulate exposure, the EVF update frame rate was lagging where the lens was pointing.
    Which model mirrorless did you experience that on, and do you know its EVF frame rate? Earlier you mentioned the R3, which has 120 Hz EVF frame update...if you experienced the problem on the R3, that is a puzzler why it happens on 120 HZ EVF...might you have had the camera in power saving mode, in which the EVF updates at the slower 60 Hz interval?


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    Jan 25, 2023 14:15 |  #30

    Wilt wrote in post #19472022 (external link)
    So, with the EVF showing a bright viewfinder to emulate exposure, the EVF update frame rate was lagging where the lens was pointing.
    Which model mirrorless did you experience that on, and do you know its EVF frame rate? Earlier you mentioned the R3, which has 120 Hz EVF frame update...if you experienced the problem on the R3, that is a puzzler why it happens on 120 HZ EVF...might you have had the camera in power saving mode, in which the EVF updates at the slower 60 Hz interval?

    There are many options that control the EVF, so it may not just be the refresh rate. Refresh rates shouldn't change with the lighting, however things like exposure simulation, the EVF mode of smooth vs whatever, etc might, because those imply processing the data from the sensor before sending to the EVF and maybe noise reduction/frame type/exposure sim all slow down with a darker noisier source?


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