Regrets Going From DSLR to Mirrorless?

bpalermini wrote in post #19549432
Except you would likely be trying a body that you don't own and the settings, even from a similar camera, probabily won't work. If you have two of the same cameras that feature is great. I think the only camera that I owned with the feature was a 1DX.

Ah, well, my philosophy is to have multiple identical bodies, and if I were renting, I'd rent an identical body.

apersson850 wrote in post #19549121
I'll interpret that as a reminder not to hand any of my cameras over to anybody else, since none of the cameras I use normally have any "green setting"...

Whenever I hand over my camera, I simply pre-focus and turn off the AF switch on the lens, pre-set the FL to what I want, set the mode to M and my determination of aperture and shutter and ISO, tell them "it's easy, I preset everything; just press the shutter release...make sure you don't put our heads in the very center of the frame,"

Wilt wrote in post #19549596
Whenever I hand over my camera, I simply pre-focus and turn off the AF switch on the lens, pre-set the FL to what I want, set the mode to M and my determination of aperture and shutter and ISO, tell them "it's easy, I preset everything; just press the shutter release...make sure you don't put our heads in the very center of the frame,"

I wouldn't give them that much instruction...that expects them to know about composition. I'd let them center us and just crop later.

I was dead against mirrorless - or more accurately EVF - cameras for years - tried a friends very early Samsung with an EVF and in my view was un-usable for anything other than static stuff. Just too laggy and pixellated.

Tried another friends some years later - and was ok.

Then I got the R5 in March this year and it is a total game changer - the AF is incredible (I actually tried a RP first which did impress too) - I've gone from 350D, 5D, 1D3, 1Dx and then 1Dx3 - all were a step up in performance (Ok the 1D3 was a challenge at times).

I'm now in the process of selling my 1Dx3 and have got the R3 - so no, I have no regrets at all.

But everything is getting silly expensive and so I doubt I will be getting a R1 when it comes out - in fact I think the wife really will do me in if I did as I expect it is going to be another step up in cost!

With the exception of the RF24-105 I use EF lenses exclusively. The only one I've tried on the R5 that doesn't work well is the 300 L IS mk 1 - this weekend I shall try it on the R3 and see if it works any better. If not its going the same way as the 1Dx3. If it does work then I have to make a hard decision whether to keep it or not anyway.

I think people should mention what they shoot because I still see a ton of DSLRs on the sidelines of sporting events, Motorsports etc.

If you photograph portraits and shoot video then yeah Mirrorless is the way to go however I still feel like DSLRs have a big audience with Action photography.

DJHaze596 wrote in post #19550112
I think people should mention what they shoot because I still see a ton of DSLRs on the sidelines of sporting events, Motorsports etc.

If you photograph portraits and shoot video then yeah Mirrorless is the way to go however I still feel like DSLRs have a big audience with Action photography.

Only until they have to replace their cameras.

at the track I always get the, "Oh, no noise, must be mirrorless." from the DSLR shooters.

I am a nature and wildlife photographer and a Canon shooter. Started with 50 D and then to 6D , 5D MKIII and 5 D MK IV.

Recently I got a R 5 body .

On the lens side I have RF 85 mm F 2 , EF 70-300 F 4-5.6 L and EF 300 F2.8 II which I use with Extender 1.4x.

R 5 no doubt is a very good especially with its focus system and in weight. ISO performance is also very good. I dont shoot video so I am

not in a position to say any thing about it.

Of late however I feel that my R5 purchase was not necessary as my 5d MK IV fulfills what I broadly expect from a good

capable camera.

Jai.

Thanks for your post...you make the point that I try to bring up to folks tempted to upgrade:

• Mirrorless is definitely an improvement, but not everyone will appreciate those improvements, depending upon what/how they shoot...not everyone needs the improvements that come with the newest mirrorless, compared to what dSLR can do.
  
• Find a NEED before undertaking the potentially large expense of abanidoning EF stuff for RF stuff.
  

You are very correct.

Thanks

Jai.

DJHaze596 wrote in post #19550112
.
I think people should mention what they shoot because I still see a ton of DSLRs on the sidelines of sporting events, Motorsports etc.

If you photograph portraits and shoot video then yeah Mirrorless is the way to go however I still feel like DSLRs have a big audience with Action photography.
.

.
I shoot wildlife, which often involves a lot of action. . I am still shooting a DSLR. . However, I am an outlier at most of the venues I shoot at. . Almost every other serious wildlife photographer I meet at known wildlife venues - national parks, national wildlife refuges, rookeries, "destination" state parks, etc. - is shooting mirrorless.

I will note that the places I shoot most often at are places that people travel to from great distances, so the people shooting alongside me are very serious about their wildlife photography and spend literally thousands upon thousands of dollars every year on gear and travel. . I mean, if they are spending 10K+ per year on travel to wildlife destinations, you bet they're going to make sure they have the very best equipment that money can buy. . So I am not really very often encountering the local guy who just likes to get out to the local park and take a few pics on the weekend. . Maybe those types are the ones still using their DSLRs?
.

DJHaze596 wrote in post #19550112
.
If you photograph portraits and shoot video then yeah Mirrorless is the way to go however I still feel like DSLRs have a big audience with Action photography.
.

.
That is an interesting opinion, as it seems to contrast with my idea of what each system is best at. . The way I see it, mirrorless is especially suited to action photography because it focus tracks the subject for you with great precision, is capable of focusing on the subject no matter where it is in the frame, and because it is capable of far more frames per second than any DSLR ever was. . If you are shooting portraits then you have time to focus the image yourself (via autofocus, not manual focus, of course) and you have the time to both focus and compose, whereas in action photography you usually do not have the time to focus and compose before the moment is gone. . So action is where mirrorless really shines.

.

While I didn't go with the Canon line since it wasn't yet available, I did pick up the Sony A7rII when it first came out. I was disappointed by much of what has been mentioned here with the Canon mirrorless, i.e. the lag, the black out. I am able to use a Metabones adapter so I can use my Canon lenses on my Sony which saved me a great deal of money. My Sony sat on the shelf for awhile while I continued shooting DSLR. Recently I picked up the Sony and started using it, and while it has it's downside such as the lag and blackout, it truly does produce some amazingly sharp and color-rich images. I learned to work with it and will use it for specific purposes such as landscape, portrait and mostly static images. I still have my 1DIV, 5DIII and even my 5Dc, and those are my go to bodies. I have years of experience with them and together we create some pretty amazing images. As mentioned earlier, i believe, I know my dSLR's inside and out and will continue to shoot with them. The other issue is the amount of money I would have to invest in mirrorless gear, and I just can't justify the expense for replacing/rebuilding my gear. Possibly, when prices come down and more used equipment becomes available I may look at a Canon mirrorless, but for now, I'm more than happy with my dSLR gear and have no plans to give it up.

I had been shooting mostly Nature-Wildlife, with a 6D, & 7D-2, and never had GAS desires to upgrade to a 5D4 or 1D series DSLR, but with the arrival of the R5, it offered improvement's that I considered to be a worthy, and significant upgrade.

To see in the VF what the sensor "sees", with a real-time Histogram prior to taking the shot, along with an advanced AF system with tracking ability, + 25 MP additional resolution for crop space, and producing larger prints, was a very satisfactory upgrade for me.

I do not, however, presume to dictate what others should, or should not decide for themselves!

I still have 2 DSLR cameras, a 7DII and T8i. I still use them fairly often. Probably about 60% with the R6 and 40% between the two DSLRs

jay125 wrote in post #19550231
While I didn't go with the Canon line since it wasn't yet available, I did pick up the Sony A7rII when it first came out. I was disappointed by much of what has been mentioned here with the Canon mirrorless, i.e. the lag, the black out. I am able to use a Metabones adapter so I can use my Canon lenses on my Sony which saved me a great deal of money. My Sony sat on the shelf for awhile while I continued shooting DSLR. Recently I picked up the Sony and started using it, and while it has it's downside such as the lag and blackout, it truly does produce some amazingly sharp and color-rich images. I learned to work with it and will use it for specific purposes such as landscape, portrait and mostly static images. I still have my 1DIV, 5DIII and even my 5Dc, and those are my go to bodies. I have years of experience with them and together we create some pretty amazing images. As mentioned earlier, i believe, I know my dSLR's inside and out and will continue to shoot with them. The other issue is the amount of money I would have to invest in mirrorless gear, and I just can't justify the expense for replacing/rebuilding my gear. Possibly, when prices come down and more used equipment becomes available I may look at a Canon mirrorless, but for now, I'm more than happy with my dSLR gear and have no plans to give it up.

The A7RII has a great sensor and some still prefer it or the same sensored A7RIII over the later 61mp A7R4 / R4a / R5.
It also had the smaller NP-FW50 battery and all following bodies got the bigger NP-FZ100.
It's AF was also improved greatly with the A7RIII. Not only with native lenses, but adapting went from just useable to quite good in many, but not all cases.

The cheaper 'non R' line also improved significantly, the A74 is 33mp and AF greatly improved.

So for your use, the A7RII will continue to achieve excellent results for as long as it works.
Any upgrade in the future (to later Sony body) will provide much improved experience but not necessarily big difference in IQ.