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Feb 22, 2023 16:18 |  #1

I was thinking about the R6 mdii as my next camera but it has a lot of bells and whistles that I won't use. Shooting 40 frames a second is of little use in shooting abstracts, having high burst numbers, again of little use to me.What is important is low light capabilities. I saw some shots that were shot at ISO 10000 and 12500 and they were great.
What I am looking for is a camera that can shoot at these high ISO levels and still give quality shots. There is no reason to pay for these bells and whistles when they are of little use to me. Even video is of no interest to me but it is included with most high end cameras.
If any of you shoot at the higher ISO's I would like to see some of your raw images. It's not that I will be shooting at these higher ISO levels it's nice to know I can if need be. Thank you.


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Feb 22, 2023 16:51 |  #2

Raw unprocessed results from cameras, or final products? Also, are you only interested in that model? Or any of the R mounts?


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Feb 22, 2023 16:55 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #3

Just an image that has little post processing done to it. It will give me some idea of the quality from different cameras. Thank you.


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Feb 22, 2023 16:58 |  #4

What types of scenes are you shooting so that maybe people can show high ISO of things that are similar? High ISO off stage presentations might show off differently than high ISO macros, for example.


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Feb 22, 2023 17:29 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #5

Thank you for responding to my request. In my signature line is the address to some of my images on Flickr. This will give you a reasonable idea of what I like to shoot. The most important is low light photography as well as having the ability to not carry a tripod.At 76 I am not as spry as I once was and because I don't know which cameras would give me good quality shots in low light. Also, if the cameras had IBIS that would be a big help as well. Thank you.


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Feb 22, 2023 17:41 |  #6

You should do some research on the new Canon R8. I have not used one, and in fact not many have because you actually can't get one yet, but it has the same sensor as the R6II. Fro reviewed it HERE (external link) and he says the files are quite good/amazing for the price, which is about $1,000 less than aR6II.

B&H says it will ship April 18.

There is also a new R50, which is a crop sensor camera that has the same sensor as a R7. Also worth a look.


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Feb 22, 2023 17:45 |  #7

These days I think I would start with the basics, FF or crop? 20mp? 30mp? or 40mp? And price. Then any feature you can't live without. I have to believe that all Canon sensors these days are so close in capability as to be a non-factor.


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Feb 22, 2023 17:45 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #8

Any camera that has great low light. I've read the RD mkiv has good low light. I neglected to mention I want FF. Thank you.


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Feb 22, 2023 18:36 |  #9

This is absolutely the max I would shoot on the R6, most of what I shoot is in the 6400-25600 range, but did want to show the extreme levels on the R6. 6400-12800 is much cleaner with much more detail, but in a pinch, like a low light reception, you can go higher.

I have many many others from other events that I can supply tomorrow.

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Feb 23, 2023 06:22 |  #10

bpalermini wrote in post #19484126 (external link)
There is also a new R50, which is a crop sensor camera that has the same sensor as a R7. Also worth a look.

R10, not R7 (my emphasis above).


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Feb 23, 2023 06:56 |  #11

Various high ISO from different cameras, lots of band shots because that is the most recent thing from the R6, a 9 hour gig to shoot all 40 bands through the day...

7D2 ISO 16000 (most likely don't push this past 12800)

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R6 25600

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R6 12800

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R6 6400

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Feb 23, 2023 07:32 |  #12

I generated a few threads over the years about high ISO on different cameras where we collaborated on best techniques:
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18788797
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18405962
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1411154
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1239461

nothing on the 5D4 or R6, because they are both good and don't necessarily need to go through a raw tweaking->jpg->multistep action to clean up noise


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Feb 23, 2023 07:57 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #13

Thank you TeamSpeed for your response. It is great to see the shots at different ISOs. I'm very grateful for all the trouble you went to give myself and others a better idea of shots at different ISOs. Thank you again.


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Feb 23, 2023 07:59 |  #14

Thank you to everyone who participated in this thread to answer my questions. I'm very grateful.


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Feb 23, 2023 09:40 |  #15

ISO 6400-12800 on about any Canon camera over the past 3-5 years or so should produce good results. The trick is (and has always been) to not underexpose to try to get to a lower ISO, only to raise exposure in post, that is a recipe for bringing out noise. Also getting a good white balance will help the appearance of noise as well.

Finally one cannot go into this with any expectations that these results will look like ISO 3200 or lower, and this isn't directed to anyone specific, but this has come up. Having noise in the image doesn't always take away from the final results, diligent post processing can remove 1-2 stops of noise with very little detriment to details, and there has to be a level of acceptance when shooting this high, no matter the camera.

NOTE: It is better to properly expose or even may be EC +1/3 or so at higher ISOs and you can always bring the exposure down a bit if needed, at least in my years of testing and building up CS5 NR actions.

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