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Traded up from a 5D MKII to a 5D MKIV memory card question

 
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Mar 01, 2023 03:34 |  #1

Having just traded up ( a little late perhaps) to a 5D MKIV I have been comparing the 2 together.

Can anyone recommend FAST cards/settings to use with the MKIV?

It supposedly has a fast rate.
buffer ranging from only 2 seconds after 174 best quality JPEGs to 8 seconds after a burst of 12 RAW+JPEG

If I take a pic, it goes clack, then despite holding the shutter button down I only get about 1 shot every 4 seconds!
I have a sandisk 200mbs sd card in it currently.
Having only just got it, I understand that I am missing something settingwise, but compared to the MKII, this is a snail.

I bought a large manual which I am logically plodding through, but this is quite important to resolve first.

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Mar 01, 2023 04:10 |  #2

That's not normal. Do you use mirror lock-up, DLO, High ISO noise reduction or something like that? Card speed only matters when the buffer is full, not for the first pictures.

Maybe total reset if bought second hand.




  
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Mar 01, 2023 04:55 as a reply to  @ pcs's post |  #3

As far as I know, no mirror lock up or high ISO, and NEW direct from canon, with C Log installed by them.
May give them a call.




  
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Mar 01, 2023 04:57 |  #4

That isn’t normal, I am not even sure how I could set mine up to do that. You could try different cards but I doubt that is it.


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Mar 01, 2023 05:24 |  #5

Called Canon, hmmm, read the manual. Yes I have.
On further testing, If I set the dial to A+, then I can take several shots a second, but this does still not compare to settings on the mkii for speed on AE/TV.
Stuck!

in the manual,
You can set whether the AF points in the viewfinder are to light up in red when focus is achieved.
NOPE, not compared to the mkii, on the mkiv, the screen momentarily flashes red, and all the focus points. The mkii shows a focus point lit up fully.

Can't replicate this on the mkiv.




  
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Mar 01, 2023 05:38 |  #6

Looking for this effect, which I get on the mkii (less focus points though.)
My focus points show black only. It's obviously a settings, but being slightly overwhelmed, I've not found it yet.
Any pointers?

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Mar 01, 2023 06:27 as a reply to  @ Rob-P's post |  #7

By default, the AF points light up in red when focus is achieved in low-
light conditions or on a dark subject. In the <d>, <s>, <f>, <a>,
or <F> mode, you can set whether to have the AF points light up in red
when focus is achieved (p.150).

P150 You can set whether the AF points in the viewfinder are to light up in red
when focus is achieved.

AUTO: Auto
The AF points achieving focus in low
light or with a dark subject will
automatically light up in red. NOPE THEY DON'T

ON: Enable
The AF points light up in red
regardless of the ambient light level. NOPE THEY DON'T

OFF: Disable
The AF points do not light up in red.

Frustrating as heck. Easy on the MKII.




  
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Mar 01, 2023 09:36 |  #8

There is just a single source for the red LED to light up your LCD screen. Only the active AF points, whether you select a single or group, or you let the camera select any, will go black during focusing and the others will disappear, and then the red illumination is supposed to happen to light up the screen so you can see these black boxes.

There are no separate LED per etched AF point in the focusing screen, like on the old systems, that went away with the 7D2, 5D4, the rebels, etc. The etched focusing screen is basically replaced by an LCD semi-transparent screen.

It also depends if you are in AI Servo or One Shot, I believe.

In other words, you are really just looking through an LCD panel to the outside world, and things are appearing/disappearing on that screen, and if it is dark enough, you need the LED light to show you that screen and what it is showing. It would be like taking a transparent LCD panel and holding it up to look through it at your scene around you, and if it is too dark to see, you shine a red light onto it.

This move to an LCD overlay was probably single-handedly the biggest pain point for users that migrated to the newer models, when it was first introduced.

https://www.manualslib​.com …-5d-Mark-Iv.html?page=152 (external link)

Have you tried the Q button?


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Mar 01, 2023 12:14 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #9

Not happy with this at all. What I liked about the MKII was that I could see the black squares in the viewfinder, and pressing the shutter 1/2 way showed IN RED, various squares that were in focus.
For the MMKIV NOT to (apparently) have this is a bad step in my mind.
Your link to info, as per what I posted would seem to indicate that you SHOULD see all focus points somehow.
Further investigation needed. As someone with poor eyesight, I thought this feature was great.




  
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Mar 01, 2023 12:29 |  #10

Did some digging in my 5D4.
This might help:

Menu -> AF -> 5 -> VF display illumination -> press SET -> Enable ON -> press SET (again) and in the "VF display illumination" screen press Q -> Illuminated on -> Half press
DRIVE-AF -> AI Servo AF -> High speed continuous -> Half press
Menu -> C.Fn1 -> Bracketing auto cancel ON -> Safety shift OFF
-> C.Fn2 -> Set shutter speed range -> Lowest speed 30" -> Highest speed 8000 -> OK -> Half press

Now the focus dots 'flicker' as if a red light sweeps across the ViewFinder.


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Mar 01, 2023 13:37 |  #11

Rob-P wrote in post #19487352 (external link)
Not happy with this at all. What I liked about the MKII was that I could see the black squares in the viewfinder, and pressing the shutter 1/2 way showed IN RED, various squares that were in focus.
For the MMKIV NOT to (apparently) have this is a bad step in my mind.
Your link to info, as per what I posted would seem to indicate that you SHOULD see all focus points somehow.
Further investigation needed. As someone with poor eyesight, I thought this feature was great.

The 5DS series, 5D3, etc all moved to that. There was maybe 1 1DX model that reverted back to individual LEDs per AF point, but that is it.

It takes some getting used to, and you have to play with all the settings to find the one that works the "best" for you, despite it being less than ideal.

Mirrorless doesn't have this issue because it is just a color LCD panel you are looking at, and isn't a transparent black/clear panel showing through to the world around you. So the closest mirrorless to the 5D4 is the EOS R, if that is an option for you. Unfortunately though, you will likely be upside down if you did buy this new.


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Mar 01, 2023 13:53 |  #12

Some internet hits, and there might be a pearl of wisdom in these. I don't have an issue with the 5D4, but likely due to my getting used to my configuration.
https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/40524​32 (external link)
https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/32404​91 (external link)
https://www.fredmirand​a.com/forum/topic/1447​316 (external link)
https://www.canonrumor​s.com …flash-red-and-beep.31837/ (external link)


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Mar 02, 2023 09:29 as a reply to  @ Canon Amateur's post |  #13

Sorry, can you clarify that. I got some of the way through but lost it. Now I have no black ones either!
How can I undo that, I have no focus points visible.




  
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Mar 02, 2023 10:30 |  #14

I would suggest resetting the camera then go back and change a settings at a time to see what it does for you. It will be very difficult for others to diagnose your settings. :(


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Mar 03, 2023 12:23 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #15

Update, I might reset, but in the meantime, my other problem has been resolved.
When I took a shot using anything except A+, the cycle time between shots was about 4 seconds.
This was due to
Lens aberation correction > Digital lens optimiser = ON

This slows down picture taking time, turn it off again (no idea why it was on anyway) finger on the shutter brrrrrap, shot after shot after shot.
Sorted.

Raised a ticket with Canon as according to P150 of the manual, it reads as if I can do what I want. re the focus lighting up red.
I'll post a definitive reply here in case anyone is interested.




  
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