Adobe is dead to me

That would be about $900 up north though.

That being said, this sale at Best Buy in Canada would be many times more capable than the old system.

https://www.bestbuy.ca …-12gb-ram-win-11/16001655

The systems you provided Amazon links for were in US dollars, too. The point, though, is that even new systems should not cost $2,000, as the OP stated.

Scott M wrote in post #19488219
The systems you provided Amazon links for were in US dollars, too.

I know, it was more of an example of what is out there, and the prices are going to be close on those mini PCs in Canada as well due to what those were.

Name brand towers will be more of a victim to the exchange rates than these mini pcs.

BirdsofBC wrote in post #19487293
so I reformatted my computer with a fresh install of Windows 10. very uneventful, which is good. I begin reinstalling my photo apps and after I got CC running, installed Light Room Classic from there and then Photoshop. guess what, Photoshop no longer runs on my machine.

I've been using an older version of it but now that I'm in need of the app, they only offer the newest version. seems I can't get the 21.xxx version I've had since I've had my Adobe Photo subscription.

unbelievable. I'm supposed to spend $2000 on new hardware. no words.

Were you using Windows 10 before and for some reason did a fresh install? Or did you upgrade to Windows 10 from an earlier version? That makes a difference. If the first, then yes, that would be bad. If the latter, then that is bad too, but unfortunately that is how it is. I am on a Mac Pro from 2009 and cannot upgrade to the latest OS so for app upgrades or new apps my Mac doesn't meet system requirements anymore. I will need to buy a new Mac, which is okay (it's 14 years old), but I seriously hate that the new silicon Macs are not in any way, shape or form upgrade-able, so one is basically forced to future buy and I don't like doing that. I upgraded my Mac Pro every so many years with new tech and it is still a great work horse. Does Lightroom and Photoshop (last stand-alone apps) without a sweat.

I also can't upgrade Adobe's last DNG converter now. So any new camera I would buy, I would have a serious problem accessing the files. I can't even upgrade DPP any longer.

I'm looking into options to breathe new life in the Mac Pro (new GPU, flash firmware, upgrade the bootrom, etc.) that will enable me to upgrade to the latest OS. I can do it all, but will it still be worth it, is the question.

Decisions.

But I feel your pain.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19488241
Were you using Windows 10 before and for some reason did a fresh install? Or did you upgrade to Windows 10 from an earlier version? That makes a difference. If the first, then yes, that would be bad. If the latter, then that is bad too, but unfortunately that is how it is. I am on a Mac Pro from 2009 and cannot upgrade to the latest OS so for app upgrades or new apps my Mac doesn't meet system requirements anymore. I will need to buy a new Mac, which is okay (it's 14 years old), but I seriously hate that the new silicon Macs are not in any way, shape or form upgrade-able, so one is basically forced to future buy and I don't like doing that. I upgraded my Mac Pro every so many years with new tech and it is still a great work horse. Does Lightroom and Photoshop (last stand-alone apps) without a sweat.

I also can't upgrade Adobe's last DNG converter now. So any new camera I would buy, I would have a serious problem accessing the files. I can't even upgrade DPP any longer.

I'm looking into options to breathe new life in the Mac Pro (new GPU, flash firmware, upgrade the bootrom, etc.) that will enable me to upgrade to the latest OS. I can do it all, but will it still be worth it, is the question.

Decisions.

But I feel your pain.

same everything.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19488157
??????

yeah, I know, Jack. I explain what the OP said, because someone misunderstood him, and then he gets attitude with me ... because I am trying to be helpful to him. Now I've seen it all.

The guy sure has some beautiful bird images .... his website kinda slow though, and I have pretty quick internet.

Used $200 laptops and used $350 desktops go a l o n g way.
(get'em from people with good feedback )

lacogada wrote in post #19488677
The guy sure has some beautiful bird images .... his website kinda slow though, and I have pretty quick internet.

Used $200 laptops and used $350 desktops go a l o n g way.
(get'em from people with good feedback )

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I am in Philly for the winter, and checked out the Philadelphia Craigslist the other day. . There are at least a half dozen iMacs with the 27" 5Kk display that are less than 5 years old, and all are priced at $850 or less. . No need at all to spend "thousands" on new hardware in order to run Photoshop or any other editing program.


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Some of us including the Op are Microsoft, not Apple, and there are less expensive and very competent windows devices.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19488682
Some of us including the Op are Microsoft, not Apple, and there are less expensive and very competent windows devices.

Yes, of course. I was not suggesting that the OP get an iMac. I just wrote what I wrote to reinforce the point that it is inaccurate to say that thousands must be spent on new hardware in order to run Photoshop. No matter what system one uses, viable options are readily and plentifully availaible for far, far less than "thousands".

Agreed and the point has been made several times now, and there are ways to get the old software versions as well, so many options… Hopefully they get this figured out!

If cost is a concern, TigerDirect has a bunch of re-furbs that is multiple generration newer than the OPs system for just a tad over $200. For instance, a Dell OptiPlex 5040 SFF Desktop - Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, DVD, HD Graphics 530, USB 3.0, DP, HDMI, LAN, Win 10 Pro, 1 Year Warranty, Grade A Refurbished. $208.
https://www.tigerdirec​t.com …?EdpNo=1147369&​CatId=2627

or for just a little more, a refurbushed HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF Desktop - Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD, Integrated Graphics, DVDRW, 2x DisplayPort, Win 10 Pro 64-bit, 1 Year Warranty. $269
https://www.tigerdirec​t.com …p?EdpNo=613529&​CatId=2627

I picked up one of these refurbs for my mother-in-law several years back and it's still going strong. I also picked one up for our TV streaming server. They are not blazing fast for gaming but at least 10x~20x faster than what the OP has and run PS just fine. There are low cost options.

I get a new daily-driver computer every 4 or 5 years. Modern software runs best on modern hardware, and $1000 can buy you more machine than you need. This new AI stuff is going to force an upgrade for me, but I'm due anyway. Computers get old and outdated. If you don't have a new one in the budget periodically, new software will eat you up.

Still, I can see why the OP is peeved. He was doing maintenance on his machine with the goal of getting back to where he was. Then, WHAT? What do you mean, Adobe? It was fine before.

I looked it up. The version he's looking for, 21.xx, is 3 years old. It's not like he's asking for CS4. And Adobe does make it easy to install old versions, but only back to 22.xx.

I wonder how far he got in the Adobe support system. I want to believe that if he talked to a human, they'd get him a link to whatever version he needed. I would think that would come with the price of the subscription.

If you are going to rebuild a machine (which means completely starting from scratch from the installation of windows to no installed apps from before), you make sure you’re backing up all your installations, from the download folder or wherever you installed from.

Rebuilding an old machine from scratch where your adobe tools are gone isn’t a reason to get mad at adobe. Having a system too old to support new versions isn’t a reason to get mad at adobe. Maybe having a support team that can’t find older versions is a reason to get mad.

Fortunately it was easy to find the older installations.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19488921
If you are going to rebuild a machine (which means completely starting from scratch from the installation of windows to no installed apps from before), you make sure you’re backing up all your installations, from the download folder or wherever you installed from.

Rebuilding an old machine from scratch where your adobe tools are gone isn’t a reason to get mad at adobe. Having a system too old to support new versions isn’t a reason to get mad at adobe. Maybe having a support team that can’t find older versions is a reason to get mad.

Fortunately it was easy to find the older installations.

This is so important. It is unreasonable to expect manufacturers to maintain versions of software generations old. If you are wanting to keep you machine for a long time, make sure you have all of the installation software for your apps in your backups which after re-reading this thread, no one suggested pulling the installation files from the backup. (I am assuming one exists)