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May 21, 2023 21:40 |  #1

Hello,

I have a Sony a6600 + 100-400/200-600 for wildlife photography and a friend wants to get involved as well. They specifically want a white camera. I see Canon offers the R50, M50, and Rebel SL3 in white. I fell down the rabbit hole of EF vs. RF lenses and had to take a step back and ask for some assistance from your wealth of knowledge.

DSLR or mirrorless is fine. Main subjects will be birds (in trees, on water, and in flight), deer, and zoo animals. I like the idea of the RF 600 and 800 f/11 (wow, so light and tiny! Not to mention the price). If price were not an issue (though, we're not starting with an 800 L), what would you recommend?

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May 22, 2023 01:00 |  #2

Well, it's sort of odd that they want a white camera... That really limits their options!

But it also narrows things down for us... as we don't need to go through all the different camera models explaining how they differ!

You are correct that those three are among the few cameras made in white.

Of the three, the R50 makes the most sense as it's part of the "new" mirrorless system, which in the near future will be the ONLY Canon interchangeable lens camera system. The DSLR (SL3) and older mirrorless (M50) systems are being phased out. In fact, many lenses and cameras in those systems have already been discontinued.

I am not terribly familiar with the R50... It's relatively new and appears to be an "entry level" camera. I shoot sports so tend to use more advanced cameras.

The R50 is an APS-C format camera, similar to your Sony. Canon uses slightly smaller dimension APS-C, but not enough difference to matter. So lenses that you might use would apply to them as well.

The white R50 is offered in kit with a silver RF-S 18-45mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM. So far none of the other lenses made for it are offered in any color other than black.

There are currently only two other RF-S lenses, which are designed specifically for the crop sensor cameras. There is a telephoto (sold in two lens kits with the black version of the R50): RF-S 55-210mm f/5-7.1 IS STM. And there is a more "all in one" lens that some people might prefer as a "walk around": RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM.

Just so you know, the "IS" designates these as "image stabilized" lenses. "STM" indicates they use a "stepper motor" for autofocus, which is reasonably fast, smooth and quiet. ("USM" is even faster and used in more premium lenses.)

Those three RF-S lenses are pretty basic and have been kept fairly affordable. There is currently rumor of an RF-S 11-22mm (possibly based upon the EF-M 11-22mm, which is a very well regarded lens). But all the RF lenses (designed for full frame) are also fully usable on the R50 camera and there is now a reasonable collection of those ranging from ultrawide 14mm to 800mm. We can expect to see more in the future. In addition, all Canon EF and EF-S lenses from the DSLR system are usable on it too, via simple adapters. There have been upwards of 125 million EF and EF-S lenses produced the last 30 years, so there is a huge market of used options.

The RF 600mm f/11 and RF 800mm f/11 lenses are pretty interesting! Reasonably compact, lightweight and affordable. One thing they did to keep them affordable was use a fixed aperture. They are sort of like the "mirror" lenses of the past. Certainly usable... but with some slight compromises.

There's also a very affordable RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 IS USM, as well as a more premium RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM. Alternatively, I plan to adapt my EF 100-400mm L "II" IS USM once I switch to R-series cameras. It's a superb lens, too.

I hope this helps!

P.S. The R50 is a new camera... just announced in the last month or two. There are a number of reviews of it on YouTube that your friends might find helpful.


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May 22, 2023 09:33 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #3

First off, thank you so much for your detailed response! This is exactly the information that I was looking for.

The world of mirrorless really has changed the business, hasn't it? The only thing about recommending the R50 that's giving me pause is the battery life. 370 shots vs. 1070 on the SL3. That's a pretty substantial difference. I know my friend can carry additional batteries but still something to consider.

How would you say the new RF lenses stack up to the traditional EF glass? Have you had experience with using the EF to RF adapter? Curious how well/quick the lens is able to adapt, for wildlife photography in particular. I will certainly give the RF 100-400 and 100-500 a look as well.

Looks like my friend and I will be watching a lot of YouTube!


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May 22, 2023 17:04 as a reply to  @ Tortie's post |  #4

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May 22, 2023 17:17 |  #5

I'm curious, why limit it to a white camera?


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White silicone cover, that's a thought. Thanks!


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May 22, 2023 18:25 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #7

My friend wants a white camera. Stuck in her ways, ha.


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May 23, 2023 09:34 |  #8

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White silicone cover, that's a thought. Thanks!

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May 23, 2023 17:02 |  #9

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First off, thank you so much for your detailed response! This is exactly the information that I was looking for.

The world of mirrorless really has changed the business, hasn't it? The only thing about recommending the R50 that's giving me pause is the battery life. 370 shots vs. 1070 on the SL3. That's a pretty substantial difference. I know my friend can carry additional batteries but still something to consider.

How would you say the new RF lenses stack up to the traditional EF glass? Have you had experience with using the EF to RF adapter? Curious how well/quick the lens is able to adapt, for wildlife photography in particular. I will certainly give the RF 100-400 and 100-500 a look as well.

Looks like my friend and I will be watching a lot of YouTube!

Is the world of mirrorless changing? Or is mirrorless changing the world? :lol: Depends upon who you ask, I suppose.

Honestly, I have NOT personally plunged into the Canon R-system yet. With five Canon DSLRs (and many others in the past), one older Canon mirrorless, and around 25 lenses for use on them, it will be a major transition for me. I shoot a lot of sports and a little bit of wildlife... and really wanted APS-C R-series much like the 7D Mark II cameras that are my primary workhorses. Canon finally produced their first two APS-C models less than a year ago and one of them is close to meeting my needs. My transition to the R-system is "inevitable" so I've been doing A LOT of research and planning. I've consulted with a number of users and watched/read all the reviews!

Regarding battery life, yes the shots per charge drop significantly going from DSLR to mirrorless (the electronic viewfinders mirrorless use are a heavy power drain). I think it's actually worse than you realize, that the SL3 is rated to get some 1600+ shots per charge (instead of 1070). The R50 appears to be rated for between 320 and 440 shots, depending upon the setup and usage of the camera, temperatures, etc.

However, with either most users will get quite a few more shots than what's rated. And with a few power saving tricks they can get even more. The ratings Canon cites are based upon CIPA test standards. Those say that when doing the battery test on a camera with a built in flash, the flash shall be used for 50% of the shots. That's a very heavy drain on the battery. So it skews the results downward significantly. For example, the 7D Mark II DSLRs I have used A LOT have a built in flash that I never use and are rated to get 670 shots per charge. I easily get 1200 to 1400 shots per charge with them. But I also have them set to go into sleep mode rather quickly (one minute... they wake up fast) and also that the rear monitor doesn't automatically display ever image I take. The rear display also draws quite a bit of power. But even without these I was getting well over 1000 shots per charge... wayyy more than Canon said I should, simply because half the shots in their test had to use the flash, which is something I never do (I use accessory flash, when I use them at all).

The R50 uses a small battery, to allow the camera to be kept small and light. The LP-E17 it uses is the same as what the SL3 uses (and the same as my M5 uses). For a long time, they were only available from Canon and were rather expensive. Now there are some third party options, often with higher capacity than the Canon OEM's 875mAh. For example, at B&H Photo they show Bescor LP-E17 clones with 1040mAh and Power2000 LP-E17 that claim to have 1400mAh capacity. I don't have any of these brands and can't attest to their quality, but B&H is a pretty reliable seller. Oh, and since the 3rd party clones have started to appear, Canon has lowered the price on genuine LP-E17 too. Just a little, though... they're still the most expensive ($60ish). A minor warning, some 3rd party batteries are less than fully compatible with the cameras and Canon chargers... watch out for the ones that come with a charger that's required (such as the Premier Tech LP-E17 kit at B&H). If these are ever mixed up and the wrong charger is used, there may be damage.

For the large part, Canon has been quite innovative with their new RF lenses. Their RF 70-200s are smaller and lighter than anyone elses' and even Canon's own EF 70-200s. The RF 100-500mm is half a pound lighter, the same diameter and stores a half inch longer than my EF 100-400mm II. Plus the EF 100-400mm is incredibly sharp for a zoom... and the RF 100-500mm is even better! Rather than just make 16-35mm lenses like they did for their DSLRs, Canon came up with fresh 15-30mm and 14-35mm designs. They did appear to copy over successful 24-70mm f/2.8 and 24-105mm f/4 lenses... but also came up with an f/2 28-70mm (pricey though it may be!).

As of right now there are 34 Canon RF and RF-S lenses (RF-S are "crop only", RF can be used on both full frame and crop). We can expect a lot more in the near future. Canon had about 90 EF and EF-S lenses at the peak of production. They've discontinued quite a few already... there are now 46 listed at B&H. Canon is "all in" with the R-system and lenses for it. They have been exercising their patents fo prevent 3rd party manufacturers from producing autofocus lenses for the system, but have begun to "license" a little... reportedly there's a Voightlander lens coming soon.

There already are a number of 3rd party manual focus/manual aperture lenses available for RF mount. Some of them are pretty interesting. But these will probably not be on a wildlife photographer's shopping list. They just aren't quick to use and speed is often important when shooting critters! Autofocus and auto exposure can be invaluable tools. And the R50's AF system rivals anything on the market for it's capabilities. Especially if it's paired with fast focusing lenses (among Canon, "USM" are fastest).

You and your friend might find Bryan Carnathan's website helpful https://www.the-digital-picture.com/ (external link) He's been reviewing and comparing Canon gear for many years and almost everything they've made the last 20 years can be found there in great detail. There are tools where you can do side-by-side comparisons of image quality, flare resistance, distortion, lens and camera specifications and much more.

All the folks I've discussed it with have assured me that Canon EF and EF-S lenses work as well or better than the did on the DSLRs they were designed for, adapted for use on the R-series cameras. It makes some sense... since DSLRs autofocus systems differ from those of mirrorless. DSLR systems use a semi-transparent mirror to allow some light to pass through and be reflected to sensors in the bottom of the mirror box. While it works quite well, there is room for the focus to be slightly off. As a result many of the Canon DSLRs have a "Micro Adjustment" feature to fine tune specific lenses on the camera. This is unnecessary in the mirrorless cameras because the focus sensors are embedded directly in the image sensor itself. There's no way for the focus system and image system to become "slightly misaligned".

Just so you know, as a relatively entry-level model, the SL3 DOES NOT have the Micro Adjustment feature. If any particular lens/camera combo would benefit from some fine tuning, it would need to be done by a camera repair person with the necessary calibration tools. Even then it's unlikely to ever be as precise as the mirrorless camera's AF system.

Another benefit is that since there's no mirror reflecting part of the light to an optical viewfinder, the mirrorless camera's AF system is able to keep working in significantly lower light conditions. For example, the SL3 is rated to be able to autofocus as low as -0.5 EV... while the R50 can focus to -4 EV (basically bright star light). This more complete light delivery also allows the mirrorless cameras to focus lenses with f/11 apertures, where the SL3 cannot focus anything less than an f/5.6 aperture (some of the more advanced Canon DSLRs can focus one stop slower lens or lens/teleconverter combos: f/8).

The SL3's AF system is a fairly crude AF system... very similar to what was in a Canon 20D from 2005... with 9 focus points clustered in the within an oval that covers approx. 30% of the image area. The R50 has 4500+ AF points covering almost the entire image area. With the SL3 you can select an individual point and put it where you want the camera and lens to focus. With the R50 you can set the camera to detect cars, or animals, or people, or faces or eyes and let it do the work. The photographer has to track moving subjects with the SL3, while the AF system of the R50 can track moving subjects. .
Canon also got innovative with their EF to RF lens adapters. Where everyone else was making simple adapters that allow the lens to fit and work (which Canon did too), for a few dollars more they also made one that has a built-in user programmable ring. It can be set up to change the aperture or adjust exposure compensation or any number of other functions. Or, for quite a few dollars more they offer one with a slot filters can drop into, with choice of a variable neutral density or a circular polarizing filter. All of these also allow any EF or EF-S lens made the last 30 years to work on an R50. Now a lot of 3rd party manufacturers have gotten into the act and are offering the same and sometimes even better options. For example, the Meike adapter with drop-in Variable ND filter that costs $159 is said by several reviewers to be superior to the Canon which costs about $530 (by the time you add the "clear" filter that's necessary any time you don't want ND, which is included with the Meike). Meike also offers a line of other types of filters, as do some other 3rd party manufacturers. Canon only offers the three: CPL, VND and clear.

Thanks to 3rd party, there are more than 25 adapters to choose among to adapt EF or EF-S lenses onto an R50, with prices starting around $45 (not including "speed boosters", which are primarily used for video work). I do use some other adapters... most recently got a Viltrox EF to EF-M to be able to use one of my lenses on my M5 camera. It's well made and work just as it should. (P.S. "EF-M" lenses are used on the older Canon M-series mirrorless cameras. There never were very many... only eight Canon and a half dozen from 3rd party... though some were nice, they cannot be adapted for use on any other system I'm aware of.... certainly can't be adapted for use on the R-series cameras.)

Yeah, I thought about the silicone covers mentioned in some other responses. I hesitated to mention them, though... because then we'd have to start comparing cameras too! By limiting us to white cameras, the options had been narrowed down so nicely! :-)

Have fun shopping!


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May 29, 2023 08:45 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #10

Thank you again for your detailed response!

I had a Nikon DSLR for over 20 years (D3000 and most recently a D5600). I stepped into mirrorless with the Sony a6600 just under 2 years ago and made the switch, selling off my Nikon kit. Ultimately, I felt the Sony was quicker to respond (AF for birds) but I find myself missing the DSLR. It just felt better in hand, ergonomically. I shouldn't have sold everything so quickly.

While the Sony's battery is better than I expected, it doesn't come close to my Nikon. I would put it away after a day of shooting (forgetting to charge) and it would be ready for another day. I really have to make an effort to remember to charge the Sony.

I'm almost leaning towards the SL3. Larger lens selection (for now), better battery life (I'm an amateur shooter and so is my friend, so multiple battery changes isn't something we're into). Although, your statement "the R50's AF system rivals anything on the market for it's capabilities" has me back to the drawing board. AF is most important to me for fast critters. I don't want to steer my friend wrong. Such a difficult decision. Just like moving from one brand to another, focusing on EF/EF-S vs. RF lenses and/or adapters is a decision in itself.

Ha, I thought the same! I'll stick to the white camera body options. Plus, there's something about the feel of a camera body in the hand. Don't need to make it thicker with a silicone cover. :)


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May 30, 2023 13:26 as a reply to  @ Tortie's post |  #11

To me it's no contest... I know which of the two cameras I'd choose.

"Missing the SLR"... If at all possible, go handle the cameras in a store. The SL3 is "the world's lightest DSLR". In fact, some mirrorless weigh more (but not the R50... it's slightly lighter). I can understand missing the "SLR feel" after going to an a6600. The Sony crop cameras have that "rangefinder like" design, with the viewfinder off to the left corner. Maybe the SL3 would feel more comfortable... but the M50 also is a more "SLR like" design. Very similar to the SL3, in fact. Canon generally gets high marks for their ergonomics. However, ultimately it just needs to feel comfortable, everyone is different and there's no substitute for actually holding one in hand to see if it's comfortable.

Lens selection.... Yes, there are more lenses around for the SL3 (EF mount) right now. But the R50 can use them too (via adapter)... Plus the R50 can use the new RF-S and RF lenses (SL3 can't). And, weren't we talking about wildlife photography? At about 1.5 lb. a Canon EF 70-300mm would balance well with the SL3... but is only 300mm. For only $50 more than that lens there is the RF 100-400mm... an additional 100mm of reach, yet slightly lower weight at about 1.4 lb. To get 400mm on the SL3 will mean a nearly 2.5 lb. Tamron or Sigma lens, or a 3.5 lb. EF 100-400mm. Double the weight... and a little to a lot more expensive. By the way an R50 with it's 18-45mm kit lens and with an RF 100-400mm costs only $50 more than a Sony a6600 body alone.

Frame rate... Another important feature for wildlife is a camera's continuous shooting rate. While the SL3 with 5 frames/sec is better than some of the more entry level Canon and not bad compared to film cameras, the R50 is more than twice as fast with its 12 frames/sec. front curtain shutter or 15 frames/sec with the electronic shutter (note: there is greater risk of rollilng shutter distortions with the e-shutter.... so the 1st curtain may be preferable).

Battery life... Both the SL3 and the R50 use the same Canon LP-E17 battery. Yes, the DSLR is more power efficient and gets a lot more shots per charge out of its battery. However, be aware that the LP-E17 is roughly half the size of your a6600's battery... both in capacity and in physical size. I believe your camera's battery is about 2000 mAh, while the LP-E17 is about 1000. I have one camera that uses the LP-E17 and simply bought a little pouch that fits onto the camera's strap to hold an extra battery. Actually, I have two of those pouches...the other holds two extra SD memory cards (to give you another reference for the size of the battery). It takes maybe 5 or 10 seconds to change out the battery.

Biggest concern with R50 might be its image buffer. Shooting RAW it can only buffer 7 images.... in other words, when doing continuous shooting at high framer rate, it will need to pause to clear the buffer after half a second! It does a lot better with JPEGs... 42 images or about 4 seconds continuous. The R50 also has "C-RAW" though... this is "compressed" RAW and the more compact files allow longer duration bursts, more images before the buffer fills. Exactly how much, I don't know. Other cameras it approx. doubles the standard RAW, so might be around 14 shots or a full second burst.

To me, between these two cameras, for wildlife photography it would be no contest. Especially for "birding". Small, fast moving critters! Wildlife and sports photography are among the most demanding of high performance autofocus.

The R50 would definitely be my choice for a lot of reasons, but mostly for the frame rate and especially for the autofocus system. I shot sports action with Canon 30D 16-17 years ago. Those use approx. the same AF system as today's SL3 and have similar frame rate as well. Those were good performers 15 years ago! I made do. But modern mirrorless AF systems are soooooo much more capable. For fast action photography of any type, I wouldn't want to rewind back to 2006/2007!

P.S. In my earlier response I forgot to mention... Most of the Canon lenses we've been discussing don't come with a lens hood. Those are sold separately and highly I recommend buying them for all lenses that don't come with. (Canon's more premium "L" series lenses do includea hood.) Canon OEM hoods can be rather pricey, but there often are less expensive 3rd party "clones". For example, the RF-S 18-45mm kit lens uses an EW-53 hood: Canon OEM $29 or Vello $10)... Or the RF 100-400mm uses an ET-74B: Canon OEM $45 or Vello $25.


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Jun 13, 2023 10:25 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #12

After much deliberation, we've decided to go for the R50! The information you provided was immensely helpful, thank you! Honestly, this may become my camera and the Sony may go (we'll see). Didn't have a chance to handle either the SL3 or R50 in person but we both have small woman-hands so I don't think it'll be a problem (in fact, I think it will feel better in hand than my Sony and possibly even Nikon before it). Starting with the RF 600 F11. Most of my birding is done in bright light so I don't think the aperture will be a hamper and I'm itching to experience the "tiny" lens compared to my Sony 200-600. Eventually may move up to a Canon RF 100-500. The lens will arrive slightly before the body but we're looking forward to seeing what we can create!

Do you have a suggestion for a wide prime that would work well with automobile photography? Something in the 24-30mm-ish range/35-50mm-ish FF equivalent. I currently use a 24 GM (I tend to prefer F1.4 and it's not looking like there are many options yet).

Do you have a link handy for the pouches you mentioned that hold a spare battery? That's the only thing I'm hesitant about. Thanks!


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Tortie wrote in post #19521669 (external link)
First off, thank you so much for your detailed response! This is exactly the information that I was looking for.

The world of mirrorless really has changed the business, hasn't it? The only thing about recommending the R50 that's giving me pause is the battery life. 370 shots vs. 1070 on the SL3. That's a pretty substantial difference. I know my friend can carry additional batteries but still something to consider.

How would you say the new RF lenses stack up to the traditional EF glass? Have you had experience with using the EF to RF adapter? Curious how well/quick the lens is able to adapt, for wildlife photography in particular. I will certainly give the RF 100-400 and 100-500 a look as well.

Looks like my friend and I will be watching a lot of YouTube!

I'm not going to re-type everything amfoto1's been saying, just going to give it all a +1. If a modern camera is the real goal, vs slapping a cover on something older, the R50 is going to be a solid piece of gear to pick up. It won't, likely, fully keep up with more dedicated "action" gear, but should be more than sufficient in getting someone's 'toes wet' and on a learning curve that won't break them down.

I *have* made the switch over to the Canon 'R' system from my trusted dSLRs and it really has been a game changer overall. There have been a few drawbacks that have become apparent, not the least of which is the battery life difference you noted.
These things chew through batteries like nothing I've seen; but, there are also a few things you can do to minimize that and still get the results you need.
- Turn off wireless communication and GPS unless you are actively and specifically using it. That radio sucks juice like a 3yr old w/ a jug of Cool-Aid :p This was the biggest result for me in extending my shots.
- Make sure you have the back screen flipped closed while shooting, and set an 'off' button for the viewfinder (I use the center button on the rear dial of my R5). This way, you're only powering the VF display, when you need it.

I just carry a couple of extra batteries per day of shooting and it hasn't really impacted me much beyond that.

The new RF lenses stack up incredibly well vs the EF lenses, generally speaking. The downside with them is, of course, price; they are not cheap. I have stuck with using the RF/EF adapter for my EF lenses and the system performs as well or better with that combo than the dSLRs did; so, it's a nice, smooth transition. My default setup, before walking out the door right now is: R5 w/ RF-EF adapter, EF 1.4x TC, Canon EF 100-400L MkII. And it works beautifully. I, also, have the RF 800 f/11 and an RF 1.4x TC in the bag in case I really need to reach out and grab something.

The RF 800 is stellar for what it does vs cost; and it holds itself up pretty well against the L lens in practice. The f/11 is, obviously, slower than the L, requiring a LOT of light or higher ISOs and the AF drive is not quite as responsive. I have not enjoyed attempting BIF with it, but it *can* be done if you have a proper lead on your subject(s) or you're going after the big, slow ones (Eagles, Herons, Ravens, etc). The other weak spot of the 800 and the 600 is when you get to cropping; I find that if I need to crop more than about 15% to get my framing right, the IQ suffers a great deal out of the f/11 lenses. If I don't need to do much cropping, though, the results are spot on and I'm glad to have that sucker in the arsenal when I need it.
The other, notable drawback is the minimum focus distance of the f/11 lenses; you basically need to be "half a block away" with those things....I think MFD on the 800 is around 5 or 6ft? I don't have it here to check as I type; but it's massive.

800 f/11, bare lens:
https://flic.kr/p/2npL​EXG (external link)

800 f/11 + RF 1.4 TC:
https://flic.kr/p/2mYR​zRv (external link)
https://flic.kr/p/2niM​Xcb (external link)

That said, I have the 800 only because the 600 was not enough difference in reach from my exisiting 100-400 + TC.

I think that the R50, paired with the RF 600, and maybe tossing in the RF 1.4x TC would be an excellent setup to get someone going on without blowing out the bank. If you want to step up a bit more, then the EF 100-400 MARK II and 1.4TC or the RF 100-500, at commensurate price hikes.

In *your* use case, I would throw out there that the RF 600/800 are black lenses, whereas the EF 100-400 and RF 100-500 are actually white(ish)...since aesthetic appears to be a factor on this one, just want to mention that detail.


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (R5, RF 800 f/11, Canon 16-35 F/4 MkII, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
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Jun 13, 2023 11:22 |  #14

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After much deliberation, we've decided to go for the R50! The information you provided was immensely helpful, thank you! Honestly, this may become my camera and the Sony may go (we'll see). Didn't have a chance to handle either the SL3 or R50 in person but we both have small woman-hands so I don't think it'll be a problem (in fact, I think it will feel better in hand than my Sony and possibly even Nikon before it). Starting with the RF 600 F11. Most of my birding is done in bright light so I don't think the aperture will be a hamper and I'm itching to experience the "tiny" lens compared to my Sony 200-600. Eventually may move up to a Canon RF 100-500. The lens will arrive slightly before the body but we're looking forward to seeing what we can create!

Do you have a suggestion for a wide prime that would work well with automobile photography? Something in the 24-30mm-ish range/35-50mm-ish FF equivalent. I currently use a 24 GM (I tend to prefer F1.4 and it's not looking like there are many options yet).

Do you have a link handy for the pouches you mentioned that hold a spare battery? That's the only thing I'm hesitant about. Thanks!

If you are getting started with the RF 600, one big suggestion is to reach out to Chris at info(at)hejnarphotosto​re.com and check whether his foot for the 800 will also work on the 600; neither of the f/11 lenses come with one and his aftermarkets are *really* solid. One of the first accessories I bought for the 800 and it's wonderful.


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (R5, RF 800 f/11, Canon 16-35 F/4 MkII, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
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Jun 13, 2023 11:49 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #15

Thank you for your input and sharing your photos! I think we've made the right decision choosing the R50.

I'm glad to hear you've had success using the EF-RF adapter and 1.4x TC (even both together, I wouldn't have thought to combine them). If we have near the success that you've had with your 800 F11, I'll be happy.

Thank you for the tips to extend the battery life. Looks like I should probably order a second battery right away (and a third may be in the cards in the future, depending).

Curious how to decide to take the 100-400 plus 1.4x TC vs. 800 F11. Obviously if light will be a concern, the 100-400 will be the go-to. Any other instances?

Appreciate the added feedback on the black vs. white lenses. My friend was 100% for a white camera, the lens doesn't matter as much.

I will look into the lens foot as well, thanks! I haven't used a telephoto lens without one (even if just for portability).


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