R10 better than RP

Hi all,

II'm looking for a lightweight camera to stick in my bag when I go travelling.

I am likely to use it for general holiday pics as well as fair bit of street photography. I have a bad habit of sticking on a vintage lens and using MF quite a bit of the time too.

I already have an R5 and a few RF lenses and I'm just seling my Fuji XT3 and lenses as due to arthritis in my fingers I'm finding it to be a pain to operate. I find the Canon controls and especially the way the touchscreen works so much easier on my poor old fingers.

I'm tempted by the R10 as it would give me a very compact and lightweight camera with the Canon touchscreen. The price of this and the RP is pretty similar and I do wonder if the FF of the RP would give me a substantial IQ advantage or not. If it did I'd go with the RP as it is also light enough ( and with touchscreen ) for me.

I know about FF "look" which is attractive but for travelling around, I'm used to APS-C on my Fuji so it wouldn't be something I'd be against. On th eother hand the new 28mm pancake with the RP would make a pretty welll - formed street package. Mind you, so would the R10 and the 16mm f2.8. Also, it would seem that my RF lenses would be better suited to the RP but this isn't a dealbreaker for me.

Have you tried both of these or do you know how the IQ would compare. I know the FF argument is quite strong but from what I can gather, the sensor on the RP isn't one of Canon's stellar examples and it might be that the newer tech on the R10 would balance that out.

If I'm just looking at the IQ what one would you recommend for me? As I've said the weight and screen are good on either so I suppose the choice here all really comes down to IQ. Would I be missing out with the R10?

I have a R10, which does double duty as a small travel camera (replaced my old Canon M50) and as a 2nd body for wildlife (replacing a 7D2). I never owned an RP, but did own the EOS R and now have a R6 M2.

I like the controls on the R10 compared to the M50. I missed having a joystick, and went with the R10 over the R50 for that reason. I like the simplification of having a single lens mount system now, instead of the EF, RF and EF-M mixture I had for a few years. Image quality is fine for my use.

I do have a RF 16mm f/2.8, but have used it mostly on the full frame bodies. It does work as a replacement for the M50 + EF-M 22mm f/2 combo I used to own, though. I also have the RF-S 18-150mm kit lens (had the EF-M version before).

Thanks Scott. Glad you're happy with your R10. It's a bit of a dilemma for me because I'm not convinced the RP IQ would be much better. If that's the case, it probably isn't enough to outweigh the disadvantages of missing features like burst rate etc.

How do you find the handling?

While there are compromises in handling with a smaller body, I think the R10 does a good job in minimizing them. While the ergonomics are not as good as my R6 M2 (or my old 5D3 and 7D2), it's better than the M50 that it replaced -- and I also like it better than the EOS R. I never cared for that control bar thing on the R, and missed the joystick on both the R and M50. The side grip gives it a nice feel in my hands, too. The R10 also has the option of using smaller RF-S lenses without losing any image resolution -- the RF-S 18-150mm is a very nice general purpose zoom for light weight travel.

I have been happy with the image quality of the R10. I also have the R6 M2, so the combo gives me options. Since you own an R5, you have another option, too.

I have both and am very satisfied with both. The controls on the R10 are better but noise on the RP is better. Lots more features on the R10. I bought the RP from Canon Refurbished site when they had it on sale for $599. I don't have any RF Lenses.I have quite a few photos on the RP and the R10 threads. If I could only have one it would be the R10.

Thank you both for your comments and experience. Although you both seem to be favouring the R10, in the end I've ordered the RP. I saw one, new, at a pretty good price and 2 year warranty. I figured I have all these RF lenses I can use and I am attracted to the slightly better noise performance and in the end these were the deciding factors. In my situation it just made sense to me.

Grateful to you both.

nothing wrong with the RP. I use mine a lot. Ido a lot of wildlife photography and the R10 is better suited for me with a much higher frame rate, great subject tracking and eye AF. Enjoy the RP, as I am sure you will.

As you were folks! I changed my mind!

I was just going through the lenses I would be using and I realised I was duplicating the functions of a very capable camera I already own.

Looking again at the feature set I’d be leaving a lot behind with the RP and taking a bigger step down from my fuji.

I realised I had initially been a bit put off the R10 a little by the lack of wide angle options but of course there are plenty of used Canon and third party adaptable EF-S options for the time being. Hopefully Canon will catch up.

Anyway. R10 ordered so I’m hoping I’ve got it right this time

In general...
If you need tele - crop is better.
If you have wide vision and like it close - FF.

But RP...

It was my first from many EOS Canon cameras, starting from film EOS which crapped out right after two years.
And on top of it Canon wanted something like 350 USD for replacement of their known to be crappy power switch, which they abandoned with later models.

Battery capacity is just miserable, they took it from tiny M series cameras.
EVF is stumbling if something moving. And AF is acting up with their RF STM (cheap construction) lenses.
Canon cut way too many corners to make it this cheap.

Sensor wise it was nothing wrong. Typical Canon colors and very impressive low light capabilities.
One YT vlogger got it right - it is camera to replace mobile phone and make pictures looks "professional".

As for street package - I switched to older Ricoh GRD series with CCD sensor and lenses as fast as f1.9.
They are smaller than any phone and true work of art in camera making.

Talking from perspective of person who has regularly traveled with all kind of cameras, sensor sizes, film formats and took pictures daily on the streets from 2007 to 2019.

If I ever do the same, it will be no Canon. In addition to street ultimate capable GRD series I have tiny Leica X2 for times I feel like tourist and for interesting times (rain, snow storm) I have compact Pentax K3 and couple of plastic lenses with metal mount, which is superior all weather kit to any SoCaNiSonic.
None of those are FF and it is actually advantage on the street.

I also have street classics - digital and film Leica M. But film is behind any financial reason for productive street photography now and digital M is more like special events camera, than camera I'm not afraid to take on streets and toss into camera bag for every day.

So, if yours confidence in Canon is still strong, here is nothing wrong with their R crop sensor cameras. For travel, for sure. Street... tourist style or "I would like to take your picture" is totally fine as well.

As long as you are not trying to act like Winogrand and Meyerowitz on the streets, all cameras are good. Take one you like and confident with.

Pentax K-3

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R 10 arrived and so far I feel I made the right choice. The touchscreen along with small size and weight really is what I was after. I'm happy with the IQ and it will fulfil a different role from my R5 to be really useful. Very happy with it. Thanks again folks

willie45 wrote in post #19562806
R 10 arrived and so far I feel I made the right choice. The touchscreen along with small size and weight really is what I was after. I'm happy with the IQ and it will fulfill a different role from my R5 to be really useful. Very happy with it. Thanks again folks

Glad you are happy with the purchase. I really like my R10 -- it's a very nice complement to my R6m2. I used both cameras last week during a trip to Michigan's Upper Peninsula. The R10 + RF-S 18-150mm was nice to have during some hiking, while the R6m2 was used for most of the other shooting.

Thank you. So far so good. It's so compact with the 18-150! I also bought the 11-18 EF-S for £99 and even with the adapter its pretty small. I will also be trying some MF vintage lenses on it in the near future. I'm just getting used to the camera so it will be a while before I can claim to be competent with it but I really do enjoy the grip and the control layout. I'm off out on my boat this weekend so will be taking it with me.