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Apr 25, 2006 16:47 |  #1

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Has anyone out there in cyberspace got an authoritive answer for me - Do memory cards have a limited life if too much formatting is carried out. Note: Ido not refer to microdrives. The reason I ask is that a few of my friends are under the impression that continued re-formatting in camera will reduce their life.

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Apr 25, 2006 17:01 |  #2

I don't care or you could don't care If you purchase Sandisk Compact Flash cards
they have for live warranty.


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Apr 25, 2006 17:29 |  #3

Technically, there IS a lifespan specified. I think it's something like 100,000 erasures or something equally vague. For all intents and purposes, it'll last forever because as vchavez said - SanDisk at least comes with a lifetime warranty.


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Apr 25, 2006 18:59 |  #4

It'll become obsolete long before it wears out. I have some 16MB cards from years ago still going strong...of course they only hold 2 images anymore so are effectively useless now. :)


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Apr 25, 2006 20:02 |  #5

Everything has a life, it just depends whether or not you'll see it die or not.


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Apr 25, 2006 20:08 as a reply to  @ Double Negative's post |  #6

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Technically, there IS a lifespan specified. I think it's something like 100,000 erasures or something equally vague.

Its technically 100,000 write/erase cycles (up from 10,000 for first generation flash parts).

Thats "gauranteed" performance for the flash memory - real life use will probably yield higher numbers.

Go ahead and format each time if it makes you feel good. I usually reformat about every fifth or sixth time through the camera/card reader.




  
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Apr 25, 2006 20:35 as a reply to  @ mbellot's post |  #7

Remember: Lifetime Warranty means for the effective lifetime of the card itself, not YOUR lifetime.


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Apr 27, 2006 01:38 |  #8

Thanks Everyone.

The answer is obvious from anyone who replied 'SanDisk at least comes with a lifetime warranty'

I shall now carry on reformatting as it's quicker than deleting.

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Apr 27, 2006 10:17 |  #9

I reformat all the time for just the same reason.


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Apr 27, 2006 10:33 |  #10

i used to format every time. now i dont see the point. once in a while yes, everytime? ive heard it does something to the card.



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Apr 27, 2006 11:45 |  #11

I've reformatted my Microdrive zillions of times.

Why should it be any different than writing/erasing? A format does a lot less reading/writing and accomplishes the same thing - actually causing less wear.


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Apr 27, 2006 13:22 |  #12

Think about it...memory in a CF card is merely memory in a physically different package than computer memory. Every time you start your computer and every time you start a program and every time you load a data file, you are writing over the memory...over and over and over and over. Get the point?...do you worry about 'wearing' out your PC's memory or do you just use it over and over? So one day a bit might fail, and so you get new memory...CF is really temporary memory like PC memory is.

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Apr 27, 2006 13:33 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #13

Wilt wrote:
Think about it...memory in a CF card is merely memory in a physically different package than computer memory. Every time you start your computer and every time you start a program and every time you load a data file, you are writing over the memory...over and over and over and over. Get the point?...do you worry about 'wearing' out your PC's memory or do you just use it over and over? So one day a bit might fail, and so you get new memory...CF is really temporary memory like PC memory is.

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Actually, not quite. Flash memory (external link) (CF cards) undergoes a state change when you write to it; DRAM only maintains the signal as long as power's supplied. That's why it's "Dynamic". It's the changes that flash goes through as it's written that are the limiting factors.


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Apr 28, 2006 08:32 |  #14

Ray.Petri wrote:
Hi Guys

Has anyone out there in cyberspace got an authoritive answer for me - Do memory cards have a limited life if too much formatting is carried out. Note: Ido not refer to microdrives. The reason I ask is that a few of my friends are under the impression that continued re-formatting in camera will reduce their life.

Many thanks.

Aparantly there is but I suspect it is not a practicle limit in real life. The camera format seems to be a quick format (rather then writting to each location like on a floppy) that just resets the file allocation table, deleting all shots takes much longer to execute as this seems to rewrite each directory entry. So formatting may cause less operations than deleting.


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Apr 28, 2006 09:42 |  #15

the number of 100,000 writes per sector is about right. Reading doesn't do anything much. As Jon said, Flash memory is nothing like RAM found in computers. (try fitting a battery into an SD card and you'll know what I mean :D)

Remember that a format simply wipes the first bit of information in the file system, effectively erasing any reference the file system had to the files on it. The files are still there, just the file system has discarded them. A delete works in a similar way, but has to wipe the reference to each file independantly, so takes longer. Personally, I format. Its quicker and gets rid of everything at once, and its not any more harmful than deleting.

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