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Natural light practice..C&C please

 
ctymom
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Apr 29, 2006 08:30 |  #1

I've been trying to figure out metering for natural light. I'm having a bit of a hard time with it. I guess I could have tried a less challenging time of day. LOL There were taken around 11am-12pm range. So it was either full shade or full sun. No in between.

And just alittle story.... I had my poor daughter standing on a snake! She looked down and yelled "Mommy, a snake!". So I quietly picked her put and moved her and then the thing hissed. I guess it couldnt bite her b/c she was standing on it's head!

The snake:

IMAGE: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/leadsis/april06/ericas-snake.jpg

Now a few of the photos:
IMAGE: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/leadsis/april06/IMG_1417.jpg

IMAGE: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/leadsis/april06/IMG_1424.jpg

IMAGE: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/leadsis/april06/big-jump.jpg

And lastly, a collage I made:

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Any C&C would be greatly appreciated! My camera settings were in the range of:

SS 1/125
F10
ISO 100

What would you have used:

Thanks!

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Apr 29, 2006 08:41 |  #2

I love the collage of black and whites... to me, the pictures just seem more powerful and real to me. I also love that she's not looking at the camera.


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Apr 29, 2006 09:55 |  #3

Pamela, I was expecting pics of your daughter and scrolled down and saw a snake...yikes! I looked before I read! Your poor little girl - I'm so afraid of snakes.

Your lighting looks good to me, especially given the time of day. It looks especially good in the second of your daughter. That's a beautiful collage, too.

Sorry no suggestions for improvement here...I am SO horrible at natural light.


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Apr 29, 2006 09:59 |  #4

Let me guess: In the last color photo she's jumping up and down on the snake? :-)


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Apr 29, 2006 14:07 |  #5

mrswilliamsin05: thanks so much :)

photov: Natural light is certainly hard. Especially when a 2 yo runs all over the place and I have to keep trying to get the correct settings. One day I'll get it. LOL I have improved somewhat so that's encouraging. Thanks for commenting :) Thankfully I'm not so afraid of snakes. I wont go near them in fear of being bit, but in general I'm ok. Now spiders, that's a whole other story!

jbkalla: LOL Naw...just jumping off a big tree stump. She pretty much freaked out over the snake and wouldnt go near it.


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Apr 29, 2006 16:28 |  #6

Pamela, these are cute. Looks like you missed focus on number 2 and her skirt was the part in focus and not her eyes.

I would hiss too if some one was standing on MY head.

On second look at your pics Pamela, I think your web conversion WF is killing your shots. Since you have a site to link from, try this.

Take your shot for link and CONVERT profile to SRGB, dont assign it. Then using BICUBIC SHARPENER in image when you resize for web. (DONT SAVE FOR WEB). Lastly save as a 10 quality jpeg. Then upload and link to the pic. Think you will see that your colors are more true and pics are not desharpened by save for web routine.


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Apr 29, 2006 16:37 as a reply to  @ Dante King's post |  #7

Dante King wrote:
...Take your shot for link and CONVERT profile to SRGB, dont assign it. Then using BICUBIC SHARPENER in image when you resize for web. (DONT SAVE FOR WEB). Lastly save as a 10 quality jpeg. Then upload and link to the pic. Think you will see that your colors are more true and pics are not desharpened by save for web routine.

Great advice! I'm gonna have to try that. I suppose we should put a 56K warning on all threads that are linked to large files?


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Apr 29, 2006 18:39 |  #8

Great pics Pamela, except the snake one.... don't like snakes. I like the pic of your daughter jumping down from the tree stump. The look on her face is very cute with a mixture of glee and fear at the same time.


  
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Apr 29, 2006 21:15 |  #9

The collage looks great and the light looks good esp in the conditions you were shooting in. I love the 3rd shot, but unfortunatley it does look OOF, and I can relate. I mostly photograph children in natural light, they're my favorite but most challenging subject. They're willful and unpredictable and I constantly struggle w/ keeping them in focus, metering and getting the proper exposure before they're off and running. I get several shots where I think I'm focusing on the eyes, but somehow manage to get something else instead. I'm still trying to figure out the best combo of metering mode, focus mode/AF point, etc??? The only answer I've come up w/ so far is to take LOTS of pictures.


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Apr 29, 2006 21:16 |  #10

Dante... thanks so much for the feedback. I pm'd you with a few questions if you dont mind. I'm trying to get the focus stuff on the eyes. My daughter makes me work for it. LOL That 2nd photo I actually had to really save. You wouldnt believe the SOOC version. Close to black! So that's probably why so bad with the focus.

jbkalla... sorry for not listing a 56k warning. I usually do but cant think straight when my little one is all over me and puts me in a rush to finish up. ;)

danster.. thanks for commenting :) Yeah, I really like that photo of her jumping. She was full of glee and fear when she jumped. It took a few times before she would jump without Daddy's help. So that shot was her first time going by herself. :)

I went out today and worked some more on getting camera settings right. So hopefully I can post some tomorrow. Too tired tonight to work on them.

Thanks for all the replies....it's appreciated!


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Apr 29, 2006 21:20 |  #11

InskiP... you were posting at the same time as me. :) I love photography children too. It's my main focus. I just love the joy and emotion they have. And love the reaction of a parent when they see photos. Had a 10x20 canvas made recently for a parent as a gift and she cried. She was so happy with it. Cant wait to give her the DVD slideshow tomorrow!

Do you use a meter? I'm thinking of getting one. Maybe it would help me. I get so frustrated and not easy at all with a VERY active 2 year old! LOL So the ones I posted above are pretty rough but a work in progress.

Thanks for commenting!


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Apr 29, 2006 21:56 as a reply to  @ ctymom's post |  #12

ctymom wrote:
Do you use a meter? I'm thinking of getting one. Maybe it would help me. I get so frustrated and not easy at all with a VERY active 2 year old! LOL So the ones I posted above are pretty rough but a work in progress.

No, I just use the in-camera meter, but struggle because if I use evaluative metering then my subject is often underexposed. So, I'm trying partial metering now and using the center AF point, but don't always like to have my subject centered either...

I too have been considering a light meter, the Sekonic L358 seems to be popular around here.

I photographed a 2 yo today and am totally wiped. I mean you just get the little boogers in focus and adjust your exposure and they move. I'd love to use my tripod, but find it cumbersome to use w/ kids. I find it difficult to implement the things I know and learn about photography w/ toddlers because things move so fast. I get a lot of OOF shots. I get get good ones to if you look at my site, but it's work and a matter of being ready and taking LOTS of pics.


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Apr 29, 2006 23:35 |  #13

Nice shots, I like the high contrast or midnight sepia type feel of them... mixed with a little softening perhaps? Soft images with heavy contrast are kind of appealing I see now.

Anyway, good job.

About metering, it's difficult at first, but it's really easy once you change your thinking.
You have a dial for exposure compensation. This is shown in Av mode with a little marker usually set at 0 (in the middle).
This tells the camera to expose the image to a neutral grey. If you set the marker to +2 (or anything above 0) your image will be over exposed. Anything below 0 will underexpose the image.

Now, if you change your metering mode to partial, you can fill the circle in your viewfinder with a certain brightness (ie sky or skin on face) and press the * button to lock the exposure.

Now, when using the * button, you're telling the camera that whatever fills that circle (in partial mode) should be exposed to whatever is marked on your exposure meter in camera.

SO... if you have your meter set to 0 and you aim at the bright sky, press the * button... the sky will be exposed to neutral which is far darker than you want. As a result, your daughter would be underexposed.

Now, if you have the camera set to 0EC and you fill the circle in the viewfinder (in partial metering) with your daughter's face... and press the * button, the exposure will be closer to perfect.

Another trick is to meter off of the bright spots to avoid blowouts. If you set your meter to +2 or +1 2/3 stops and then press the * button while looking up at the sky, the camera will lock settings so that the sky will be exposed to those settings. Since it's within your camera's meter, your sky won't be underexposed.
As a result, your daughter could be underexposed... because the sky is so bright. The camera will have to adjust the settings so the sky will show up (clouds etc...) but that will also darken the rest of the image.

This is where fill flash can come in handy. When your camera is set in Av mode, the flash will automatically work in fill mode. The camera won't adjust the settings when the flash is active... it'll just add a flash fire.
Instead, dial in -2 stops (or somewhere between -1 and -2 stops) of flash exposure compensation and take another shot. The flash will fire softly and will add some light to your close subjects... while leaving the exposure for the background alone.
This is a technique that you can use to take pictures of people in front of sunsets or backlight. (although reflecting the same light is better)

NOTE: when using the on camera flash for fill light, the fastest shutter speed that's allowed is limited (1/250 for 30D - probably same for 20D). If your shutter speed is faster than that, the camera will automatically drop down to 1/250 and as a result your image will start to blow out.
With a speedlight, you can enable high speed sync which allows you to use speeds faster than 1/250 (max sync rate). I'm not sure if there's a custom function to change the on camera flash.

Anyway, if you're learning about exposure, make sure to use the * button. Dial in a setting on the meter (for Av) and press the * button while looking at what you want to expose to that level. EASY!
You can also use evaluative metering mode, but you'll have to fill the entire frame.


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Apr 30, 2006 10:43 |  #14

Rich, I love these tips! You helped me to understand the * button better. Thanks!


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Apr 30, 2006 13:18 |  #15

Thanks so much Rich for taking the time to explain all that! I saved it so I can refer back to it and work on it.

And thanks again to Dante for explaining about saving for the web. :) All very helpful!

InskiP.... I looked at your gallery. Very nice work! I was considering that meter too. I'm just waiting for a sale ;)


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