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May 03, 2006 01:40 |  #1

Hello,

I am using a 10D and I have it set to RAW+large. The problem is that I have never been unable to see these RAW files. They don't show up in ZoomBrowser 1.2 and XP Pro.

I haven't tried a card reader. Would that help? Or should I try a different USB cable as well when doing a direct connect. I have my 10D set on Normal for communication mode.

Also, when is RAW supposed to be showing on the LCD? I have never seen it come up.

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May 03, 2006 03:45 |  #2

I never plug my camera into the PC, I use a card reader. I never used the Canon software, I use CS2. All I can suggest is make sure you have the latest versions of the software installed, if that doesn't work get a card reader and use DIM from http://wwwalanlight.co​m (external link) to download your images. No matter whether you use RAW or JPG you get a thumbnail.


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May 03, 2006 12:22 |  #3

Thanks for the advice, Tim. I am new to digital SLR photography, so the range of settings and procedures to get a good picture can be overwhelming.

I re-read the instruction book and saw that Cf-1 lets you set the camera to RAW mode. The LCD now shows "RAW". However, Cf-8 is set to RAW+Large, yet I don't see both a RAW and Jpeg of the same image when I view the thumbnails. If Cf-1 is set to RAW, all see is a RAW file. And f Cf-1 is set to Large and Cf-8 to RAW+Large, all I see is a jpeg?

Am I missing a step, or am I misunderstanding which files I am supposed to see?

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May 03, 2006 18:55 |  #4

obtong -
In no camera in the world do you actually see a RAW on the LCD, because RAW is not an image format. In other words, it's not viewable until it has been converted. What you do see when the caption says RAW, is a small jpg created from the RAW data and embedded in it in order to be used as the display. As a matter of fact, inside every large jpg there is a similar small jpg for the LCD display. Therefore, it may well be the case that when doing RAW + jpg the 10D doesn't bother to display both files since the display images would be identical.
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May 03, 2006 19:03 |  #5

If you're running XP you could also try The Microsoft RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer (external link) it's just a viewer not a converter like Adobe Camera RAW or the app that came with the camera.


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May 03, 2006 23:53 as a reply to  @ Atomic79's post |  #6

As I recall, the 10D and 300D imbeds the jpeg within the Raw file, so you wouldn't see two files, only the Raw. You can use the Canon software to extract the jpeg.


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May 04, 2006 02:07 |  #7

Obtong wrote:
Hello,

I am using a 10D and I have it set to RAW+large. The problem is that I have never been unable to see these RAW files. They don't show up in ZoomBrowser 1.2 and XP Pro.

I haven't tried a card reader. Would that help? Or should I try a different USB cable as well when doing a direct connect. I have my 10D set on Normal for communication mode.

Also, when is RAW supposed to be showing on the LCD? I have never seen it come up.

Thanks!

Are you saying that you can't see the RAW file or the RAW image? The camera allows you to shoot RAW - even that is a bit of camera trickery because it always shoots RAW that's all it can do. The internal processor converts the RAW image to a format you can "see." People who shoot RAW do so to avoid the camera doing the processing because they think they can do it better (not always the case). RAW also allows for greater recovery of exposure. So if you over/under expose you can correct more in the RAW conversion than in JPEG.

There's much more to it than that but anyway. When your camera shows the image, even if you capture RAW, it is showing you a JPEG. It isn't is showing you the large (RAW+L) JPEG but it's own thumbnail it creates. I imagine that's what it does if you shoot only JPEG.

When you are putting your images on you PC in my view, you should just get a card reader. It is miles simpler. They only cost £12 to £20. If you can, get Firewire. However, the card reader will only really be as fast as your card.

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May 05, 2006 21:33 |  #8

When you plug your camera in, don't have it open any canon software or microsoft scanner and camera wizard. Instead, open up My Computer and right-click on your camera, and click "Explore". From there, you should be able to see not only the .JPG files, but also the RAW files. This is how I access the RAW files on my 350D.


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May 05, 2006 22:54 |  #9

Hmm... I do see the picture I have taken on the LCD preview screen. What I am unable to do is have the camera automatically create two files for each picture I take, a RAW image and a jpeg image. Right now all I get is either a RAW file or a jpeg file, never both. Here are settings I have tried:

Setting 1
Quality: RAW
Cf 8: 5: RAW+Large
Results in just a single CRW file in ZoomBowser or Explorer

Setting 2
Quality: Large
Cf 8: 5: RAW+Large
Results in just a single jpg file in ZoomBowser or Explorer

I guess my question is: How do I set my 10D so that it records both a CRW and a jpeg file for each picture I take?

Thanks!


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May 05, 2006 23:30 as a reply to  @ Obtong's post |  #10

Sometimes I feel like I'm invisible... When set to Raw +.jpg, the 10D only creates one file; the .jpg is imbedded in the RAW. See pg. 48 of the manual.


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May 05, 2006 23:47 |  #11

I'm sorry, I just didn't understand. This DSLR stuff is new to me. I guess I was thinking of RAW+Jpg in the physical terms of the negative (the RAW file), and the print (the jpeg file).

So, if I understand correctly, cf8 set to RAW+jpg does nothing unless the Quality setting is set to RAW?

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May 06, 2006 00:06 as a reply to  @ Obtong's post |  #12

If you have the camera set to take Raw + .jpg, you can set the quality of the imbedded .jpg via CF8. If the camera is set to take Raw only, or .jpg only, then setting the .jpg quality via CF8 would have no effect. Standalone .jpg quality is set in the menu. If you don't have a manual, one can be downloaded from the Canon web site. http://alpha02u.c-wss.com/inc/ApplServle​t?SV=WWUCA900 (external link). Check pages 47 & 48.


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May 06, 2006 04:53 as a reply to  @ Bodog's post |  #13

I think the JPEG is embeddd in the RAW file. I never do this myself, but don't you have to have a way to extract it? I half remember doing that in Breezebrowser. These days, I just shoot RAW. If I want a JPEG then I process one.

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