Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
Thread started 08 May 2006 (Monday) 19:43
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

20D w/ Canon EF 400mm 2.8 L USM Mk I

 
dmwierz
Goldmember
Avatar
2,376 posts
Likes: 2
Joined May 2005
Location: Chicago Area, IL
     
May 08, 2006 19:43 |  #1

I borrowed a Mk I (series I) 400 f2.8 yesterday to shoot some U14 baseball on my 20D, substituting it for my Sigma EX 120-300 f2.8 that I normally use.

This 400 is used all the time by another shooter with his 1D Mk II and he gets top notch results shooting baseball, soccer, etc. However, on my 20D, the lens frequently lost AF on runners coming straight at me (using AI servo), showed a ton of CA, yielded soft images, and overall, was a HUGE disappointment compared to my lowly Sigma 120-300.

Anyone have any idea why this might have happened? Should I have changed my settings on the 20D when I changed lenses? The fellow who let me borrow the lens was willing to make me a real good deal on it, but now I'm not so interested.

Dennis
http://www.pbase.com/d​mwierz45/sports_shots (external link)


http://www.denniswierz​bicki.com (external link)
http://www.sportsshoot​er.com/dmwierz (external link)

Dennis "
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Avatar
16,481 posts
Gallery: 12 photos
Likes: 71
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Sayre, Pennsylvania
     
May 08, 2006 20:20 |  #2

I'm not saying this was the culprit, but the 45-point AF with predictive AI servo and the dedicated processor for autofocus could be a darn good reason why the 1DMkII kept focus better. As for CA, that could just be conditions you're shooting in. As to softness, again, it could be either lacking AF (although myself and others have done great with sports on a 20D) or just slower than adequate shutter speeds.


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dmwierz
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
2,376 posts
Likes: 2
Joined May 2005
Location: Chicago Area, IL
     
May 08, 2006 20:36 as a reply to  @ Ronald S. Jr.'s post |  #3

Ronald S. Jr. wrote:
I'm not saying this was the culprit, but the 45-point AF with predictive AI servo and the dedicated processor for autofocus could be a darn good reason why the 1DMkII kept focus better. As for CA, that could just be conditions you're shooting in. As to softness, again, it could be either lacking AF (although myself and others have done great with sports on a 20D) or just slower than adequate shutter speeds.

Ronald,

OK, but why would this explain why I've done great with the Sigma 120-300 and the 20D and not with the Canon 400? THIS is the puzzle. Same camera AF settings - same conditions - same camera - different lens - different results.

Virtually all the shots taken at the link below were with the 20D and the 120-300 in conditions much more challenging than those under which I shot with the 400 Mk I and the 20D yesterday.

My question comes down to: what, if anything, about the older Canon 400 lens might cause it to behave this way, and should I have changed my camera settings from those chosen for the 120-300?

Dennis
http://www.pbase.com/d​mwierz45/sports_shots (external link)


http://www.denniswierz​bicki.com (external link)
http://www.sportsshoot​er.com/dmwierz (external link)

Dennis "
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Avatar
16,481 posts
Gallery: 12 photos
Likes: 71
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Sayre, Pennsylvania
     
May 08, 2006 20:43 |  #4

Shutter speed, mainly. A couple hundredths of a second could make a world of difference. I don't have experience with either lens, but maybe the AF is faster on the 120-300. That 400 is older, obviously. I imagine the AF on the new 400 is improved to match newer bodies as well.


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dmwierz
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
2,376 posts
Likes: 2
Joined May 2005
Location: Chicago Area, IL
     
May 08, 2006 21:05 as a reply to  @ Ronald S. Jr.'s post |  #5

Ronald S. Jr. wrote:
Shutter speed, mainly. A couple hundredths of a second could make a world of difference. I don't have experience with either lens, but maybe the AF is faster on the 120-300. That 400 is older, obviously. I imagine the AF on the new 400 is improved to match newer bodies as well.

Ronald - they're both f2.8 lenses, so, unless I changed the ISO, which I didn't, the shutter speed is the same, no? Unless you're saying 1/4000 on the Canon is really 1/3700, or something like that Vs an accurate 1/4000 on the Sigma?

Maybe the AF is faster, since the lenses are 13 years apart in technology. While the Canon is a pro lens from 1993, and the Sigma is an "almost pro" lens from today, the Sigma is 13 years newer technology, and that just might make enough difference.

Dennis
http://www.pbase.com/d​mwierz45/sports_shots (external link)


http://www.denniswierz​bicki.com (external link)
http://www.sportsshoot​er.com/dmwierz (external link)

Dennis "
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Avatar
16,481 posts
Gallery: 12 photos
Likes: 71
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Sayre, Pennsylvania
     
May 08, 2006 21:08 |  #6

Not every 2.8 lens will get the same shutter speed. You'll need a faster shutter on the 400 to negate camera shake. Plus, there's little chance that the light was exactly the same.

Agreed about the technology. You should rent a MkII sometime when you need a long lens, and see how the performance is.


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,420 views & 0 likes for this thread, 2 members have posted to it.
20D w/ Canon EF 400mm 2.8 L USM Mk I
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Frankie Frankenberry
1101 guests, 114 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.