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May 15, 2006 21:27 |  #1

michael hurley/tara jane o'neil/samara lubelski @ the Nave Gallery, Somerville

the nave gallery is basically a presbyterian church which has been turned into an occasional performance space (and adjoining room as gallery, which had some photos and art) via ArtSomerville, a non-profit organization. the room itself is very spacious and lends very easily to a performance space, but the atmosphere was a bit *too* reserved, and you could tell that samara and tara jane were a bit unnerved by the utter silence between songs (after the applause, of course). the stage was very unadorned; a single row of white xmas tree lights on the border of the stage, two candles, and a sole spotlight on the performer's right, which threw an interesting shadow towards the back, but also led to unsightly mic stand shadows, esp for the seated performers (tara was the only one standing). this led to some very challenging conditions, esp since movement to get different angles for different perspectives wasn't conducive. i shot w/ a 50mm and 85mm, both f/1.8. i found out afterwards that my metering mode was set to partial for all the shots.

first up was Samara (w/ unannounced helper, on various things like keyboards, bowed autoharp, vocals, and a couple of other odds and ends). a former member of both Tower Recordings and Hall of Fame, she's struck out on her own for a few records of simple beauty, acoustic framed and very reminiscent of the english folk scene, which is an unassailable flame to the acoustic guitar-bearing moths these days.

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next up was tara, who also struck out on her own after Rodan, Retsin, The Sonora Pine and a couple of one-offs. sonically, she's abandoned the slintisms of Rodan and more closely aligns more closely w/ Chan Marshall; i was really impressed by the quality of her voice. she earned hipster points by covering a judee sill song (can't recall which one, as i don't know the records too well).

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for those who don't know, michael hurley is an old time folkie, stretching back to the days of the holy modal rounders. his playing is very straightforward and direct, tying in references to bluegrass, folklore, and ragtime. very well stated by an amazon reviewer: "Michael Hurley is all about perspective. One moment he searches for life's deepest meanings; the next he sings the praises of dinner. He leaves it to the listener to decide which is more important". definitely agree w/ that one, as one of the more entertaining songs was an a cappela song about an old black crow, complete w/ sound effects. he was accompanied by 'bones', a guy who played a washboard, claves, and something which he banged on the floor and hit (kinda had a pie plate-like disc mounted on a pole).

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May 19, 2006 12:33 |  #2

#4 and #5 are wonderous ... without EXIF it is hard to suggest anything for the others, but of course I always suggest a tripod and no one wants to do it, sigh.


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May 19, 2006 12:59 |  #3

ironically, this is probably one of the only places i could have used a tripod, if i owned one.

i figured out why the EXIF is getting stripped out; apparently the 'save for web' option when converting TIFFs to JPGs strips it out. my basic strategy was applied (Av priority, wide open, shutter speed is what it is), but i think i'd mistakenly left the metering on 'partial'.

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May 26, 2006 08:11 |  #4

For EXIF stuff, get EXIFTOOL and the Swiss Arm Chainsaw, aka Perl.

You should be able to do a `save for web', then use the original to put all the exif data back into the reduced jpg.

What metering do you normally use?


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May 26, 2006 11:14 as a reply to  @ prep's post |  #5

prep wrote:
For EXIF stuff, get EXIFTOOL and the Swiss Arm Chainsaw, aka Perl.

You should be able to do a `save for web', then use the original to put all the exif data back into the reduced jpg.

i think the 'save as' works enough for my pea-sized brain to handle. i think PERL might give me a nervous breakdown.

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What metering do you normally use?

evaluative. should partial be used in cases like this, along w/ EC set lower?


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May 26, 2006 13:19 |  #6

In general evaluative metering isn't good at anything but gets you by. I think Steve Parr and some others recommend Center Weighted. I recommend spot metering on the face but I think that requires a 30D or 1D of some flavor.


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May 26, 2006 13:37 |  #7

cool, i'll try center-weighted next time to see the results. i ended up not going in to see bill janowitz (crown victoria, buffalo tom) last night, so no new shots.


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May 26, 2006 14:06 as a reply to  @ narlus's post |  #8

narlus wrote:
cool, i'll try center-weighted next time to see the results. i ended up not going in to see bill janowitz (crown victoria, buffalo tom) last night, so no new shots.

Oh, great, I just read something that suggests "partial" is the way to go ... is there such a thing on a 20D? If so, try that ... but get away from evaluative no matter what.


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May 26, 2006 14:34 |  #9

dwight, i've got the 350D and the 3 modes are:

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the manual leads me to believe that partial is better for back-lit subjects; the area of exposure is narrowed to a more specific zone. in that case, it may be more along the lines of how you meter on specific zones, such as faces. so maybe that is the best method for me to try.


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May 26, 2006 15:38 |  #10

Then I'd try working with 'partial' next. Keep us advised.


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May 26, 2006 17:03 as a reply to  @ DwightMcCann's post |  #11

Hey Narlus

I have a 350D and used partial metering at my first gig last night (will be posting the pics as soon as I get a chance) all the shots seem to come out ok, didn't experient with any of the other metering setting to know if they would be better but I would recommend using it.




  
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May 26, 2006 17:15 as a reply to  @ rachelpattison's post |  #12

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Hey Narlus

I have a 350D and used partial metering at my first gig last night (will be posting the pics as soon as I get a chance) all the shots seem to come out ok, didn't experient with any of the other metering setting to know if they would be better but I would recommend using it.

Yup, now that I think about it I think Steve recommended 'partial' rather than center weighted.


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