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May 18, 2006 15:30 |  #16

this is about what i would exspect from a non processed image at f5.6 from the 100-400 zoom, i dont have this lens but my mate has and its about like this for image quality.
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May 18, 2006 15:32 |  #17

Ta da! After seeing the original image, i think your lens is fine. I think many were confused by your 1st post, thinking you were complaining about sharpness problem.
As for CA, i think you'll find some even in L lens, just depends how severe it is. Your copy of 100-400 has very minimal CA as far as i can tell. The gosting effect is just some "ugly bokeh" IMHO. The lens looks like a keeper to me.


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May 18, 2006 15:56 as a reply to  @ cfcRebel's post |  #18

Well, if this is normal for this lens then I gotta say I don't think it deserves the "L". True the build quality is good but it should have better optics as well...

I also have the Sigma 17-70 f2.8/4.5 and I know its a different range and you can't compare them directly but its image quality is FAR superiour to the Canon 100-400mm.
Check here: http://www.pbase.com/e​vandavies/sigma_17_70 (external link)
NOTE: some grading and colour tweaks but NO USM.

Since its under warranty and the canon service center isn't too far away, I'll take it and see what they say. I'll post the results when I get it back.

Thanks for the feedback everyone...

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May 18, 2006 16:13 |  #19

That's not too different from what I would expect from mine. Let me know if it gets better when you get it back from Canon.


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May 18, 2006 16:14 as a reply to  @ evandavies's post |  #20

evandavies wrote:
Well, if this is normal for this lens then I gotta say I don't think it deserves the "L". True the build quality is good but it should have better optics as well...

I also have the Sigma 17-70 f2.8/4.5 and I know its a different range and you can't compare them directly but its image quality is FAR superiour to the Canon 100-400mm.
Check here: http://www.pbase.com/e​vandavies/sigma_17_70 (external link)
NOTE: some grading and colour tweaks but NO USM.

Since its under warranty and the canon service center isn't too far away, I'll take it and see what they say. I'll post the results when I get it back.

Thanks for the feedback everyone...

Ed

well a lot of Canon lenses have the L only because there better than some of the junk Canon puts out, im not going to name any as i dont want to start a debate i do see what you thought an L might give but to be honest only a prime has given me anywear near what i want .
hope you get things sorted to your needs.
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May 18, 2006 17:04 as a reply to  @ GyRob's post |  #21

The image of the car looks ok,the number plate is one hell of a crop.:D


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May 18, 2006 17:59 as a reply to  @ evandavies's post |  #22

evandavies wrote:
Well, if this is normal for this lens then I gotta say I don't think it deserves the "L". True the build quality is good but it should have better optics as well...

I hate to be a smart *** but just because it is an L it doesn't make anyone a better photographer. Not saying that you're not a good photog. but many people think that a Pro lens will automatically make them the best.


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May 18, 2006 18:41 as a reply to  @ electrict's post |  #23

Hehehehe, Yeah, I know what you mean.
I'm not pretending to be a great photographer but I'm not a complete beginner either. A lens that costs this much should be able to deliver better than this.
I still think its off because I've seen better examples of what this lens can do.

So I hope that when it comes back my faith shall be vindicated.

I'll post here when I have the results

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May 18, 2006 20:02 |  #24

Why would think that a license plate ( that looks to be 20' away) in a shaded recess be any sharper than what you have shown ?


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May 19, 2006 03:59 as a reply to  @ clivingston's post |  #25

Here is just 1 example of what this lens can produce.

This is from a review here:
http://www.photozone.d​e …_100400_4556_is​/index.htm (external link)

This is a resized and cropped example image they have in the review.
Converted RAW with no post processing

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May 19, 2006 04:55 |  #26

I think my copy is representative of a "good" copy of the lens. I don't have any full size images or 100% crops on line to share but I find it performs very satisfactorily at 400mm wide open. The only 100% crop I have on line at the moment is in this thread http://www.photography​-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=149169 which is with the 1.4x TC fitted (ie. 560mm wide open) which softens the image slightly. If you wait until the weekend I can try and replicate a shot of a numberplate like yours for comparison purposes?




  
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May 19, 2006 05:13 as a reply to  @ evandavies's post |  #27

evandavies wrote:
Here is just 1 example of what this lens can produce.

This is from a review here:
http://www.photozone.d​e …_100400_4556_is​/index.htm (external link)

This is a resized and cropped example image they have in the review.
Converted RAW with no post processing

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Go out and reproduce this shot with your lens. Fill the frame with his head , while in direct sunlight and post your results.https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=170406 shows a 100 % crop. The bird fills the frame in good light. The subject is also 7' away.


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May 19, 2006 05:32 as a reply to  @ clivingston's post |  #28

Nitsch, thats what I'm talkin about. You've got a great copy there!!! Can you post a 100% crop, preferably as it came from the cam?

Now I know this is not ideal as its in the shade but the cam chose 1/750s so it had enough light and motion blur should not be a factor.
f9.5 too!!! This is the sharpest my lens gets...

Yeah, Clivingston, I did see that post when I was looking for comparisons and I think it is a touch softer than it could be. I still think mine is a bit worse.


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May 19, 2006 05:41 as a reply to  @ evandavies's post |  #29

evandavies wrote:
Nitsch, thats what I'm talkin about. You've got a great copy there!!!
Now I know this is not ideal as its in the shade but the cam chose 1/750s so it had enough light.
f9.5 too!!! This is the sharpest this lens gets...

OK that's definately not right, the swan crop is very soft. My copy shows no appreciable difference in sharpness at 400mm between wide open (f5.6) and f11, so I use it wide open 99% of the time only stopping down when I need greater DOF. Seeing as your lens is under warranty still I think you are doing the right thing in sending it in for recalibration. I will be interested to see how it performs when you get it back.




  
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May 19, 2006 10:43 |  #30

This is what I would expect from my owl lens under these conditions.The lens is fairly soft at f5.6 and is sharper at f8. Lighting also is very important with the 100-400 as low light gives a soft cast to the image.
Are you using a 20D ?



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