My 5D, at ISO 1600 and coupled with any one of the fast primes, has yielded some superb low light shots. I much prefer the natural look I get without a flash.
AeroSmith Goldmember  More info | My 5D, at ISO 1600 and coupled with any one of the fast primes, has yielded some superb low light shots. I much prefer the natural look I get without a flash. Josh Smith
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grego Cream of the Crop  8,819 posts Likes: 2 Joined May 2005 Location: UCLA More info | May 26, 2006 11:41 | #17 The popup flash isn't very useful, if you want to have control on your photos. The 580ex by Canon is a wonderful flash to use along side the body. Go UCLA
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stupot Goldmember 2,227 posts Joined Dec 2005 Location: UK, Portsmouth Uni / HW Bucks More info | SkipD wrote: Same for my 20D. I'd like to somehow get rid of the built-in flash and have a bigger prism/viewfinder lens for a bigger image looking through the camera. If you use any of the larger diameter lenses or lenses with a large diameter lens hoods, the built-in flash is simply a wasted feature that I'd rather not pay for. None of my lenses are small enough to use the silly thing. thats a good point... i'd like a bigger viewfinder too. i only had an old film slr before going digital so im not used to pop-up flashes... Canon EOS 350D, Sigma 10-20 f4-5.6, 24-105 f4L IS, 70-200 f4L, 300 f4L IS, Kenko 1.4x pro300, 430EX, Apple Powerbook G4
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calicokat Cream of the Crop  14,720 posts Likes: 2 Joined Oct 2005 Location: Southern California More info | mbellot wrote: ISO3200 won't do you much good in the blazing sun when you need a bit of fill to brighten up your subject's face(s). It also won't help if you're trying to freeze action and your external flash dies (like mine did once). Three pictures into some snapshots at a gymnastics birthday party my Sigma 500 stops working (batteries) and after looking in the camera bag and talking to the wife I learn that my spares have been appropriated for kids toys.  Good thing the 20D has a pop-up flash. I got some nasty red eye that I had to deal with in PP, but at least I could still take pictures. The point of the thread was what do you do to deal with the lack of the pop up flash and thats it. I know what flash offers over high iso "You are going to fall off a cliff trying to get a better shot someday"- My hopeful and loving wife
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Jon Cream of the Crop  69,628 posts Likes: 227 Joined Jun 2004 Location: Bethesda, MD USA More info | May 26, 2006 12:26 | #20 If you don't want to carry around a 430EX or bigger, consider the 220EX. It's got a little more oomph than the pop-ups do, and will be a little further off-axis, so less likely to cast lens shadows. Alternatively, and this won't work in all cases either, carry 1 or 2 small silver Photodiscs you can hold/position strategically. Jon
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May 26, 2006 12:33 | #21 Frankly I've never misssed it. I never used the pop up flash on my 10D or 20D for anything but snapshots. My pics:
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Titus213 Cream of the Crop  More info | May 26, 2006 14:18 | #22 You definitely need that pop-up flash. Can't live without it. Send me the 5D and I'll gladly send you my 20D....Shoot, I'd throw in my 550EX too but it's heavier than your 430EX.... Dave
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TomW Canon Fanosapien  12,749 posts Likes: 30 Joined Feb 2003 Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee More info | Jon wrote: If you don't want to carry around a 430EX or bigger, consider the 220EX. It's got a little more oomph than the pop-ups do, and will be a little further off-axis, so less likely to cast lens shadows. Alternatively, and this won't work in all cases either, carry 1 or 2 small silver Photodiscs you can hold/position strategically. I second the 220 idea, and I'm going to order a 220EX. I shot a graduation with the 5D, but I had the 550EX on it - no problem for main or fill situations. I recognize that it can be a bit bulky at times, though. Certainly not in my situation, but when/if one hikes a few miles, the extra bulk of the 550EX is a hinderance. Tom
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steved110 Cream of the Crop  5,776 posts Likes: 2 Joined Dec 2005 Location: East Sussex UK More info | I think you just need to accept the need to carry your speedlite with you. I always have my speedlite in the bag, and almost never use the built in flash - scary red eye, nasty black shadows and as for that firework effect for AF assist....aargh! Canon 6D
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TeeWhy "Monkey's uncle"  10,596 posts Likes: 5 Joined Feb 2006 Location: Pasadena, CA More info | May 26, 2006 16:22 | #25 I hear that in Japan, a pop up flash is considered an amateur camera feature and pros and serious amateurs Poo poo such a thing. Seeing 5D was marketed for a 1DsMII back up and for serious photogs, that's why I think Canon decided to go against it. The other factor is the increase in size it would take over the viewfinder. Gallery: http://tomyi.smugmug.com/
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JohnnyG Worthless twinkle toes fairy  3,719 posts Likes: 1 Joined Aug 2005 Location: Houston, Texas More info | May 26, 2006 16:33 | #26 I know I like my 20D with the pop up flash. I don't use it often but when I'm stuck for a fill or a late evening shot and I'm not home, I use the pop up. Canon EOS 5D Mark II, 100-400IS L, 24-105 L[COLOR=black][FONT="] IS, 50mm f/1.4, Canon 430EX/580EX II, Kenko 1.5X, Epson R1900, Manfrotto 679B Monopod, 3021BPRO tripod, 808RC4 Head, 486RC2 Ballhead
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CanonConcord Junior Member  22 posts Joined May 2006 Location: St. Louis, Missouri More info | May 26, 2006 16:47 | #27 Word of advice...don't let the "techno snobs" get you down. Some people, sadly, get their jollies by making others feel badly about their equipment choice, either not good enough, or too good [thus foolish]. Just ignore them. Canon 5D
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mbze430 Goldmember  2,454 posts Joined Feb 2005 Location: Chino Hills More info | CanonConcord wrote: Word of advice...don't let the "techno snobs" get you down. Some people, sadly, get their jollies by making others feel badly about their equipment choice, either not good enough, or too good [thus foolish]. Just ignore them. A long time ago, way back in the days before digital, no SLR came with a "built in" or "pop up" flash. Everyone had to get a shoe mounted flash. Pop up flash is very convenient as an emergency measure, but the results are what they are. Redeye is a huge issue. Harsh shadows. There are many advantages to a shoe mounted flash. With a difuser you can get really nice results. Enjoy. Oh and those golden days where soo-soo nice. Gear List
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BlackRicco Member 74 posts Joined Mar 2005 More info | May 26, 2006 16:56 | #29 I think the pop-up flash is a handy little thing to have. It's nice to have some sort of flash with out actually carrying one around. If you're shooting someone by a tree or other shade it puts a nice sparkle in the eyes and just brightens the over-all photo. Obviously it's not going to replace a real flash, but it's nice to have.
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davidfig we over look the simplest things  3,275 posts Likes: 85 Joined May 2005 Location: Fremont, California USA More info | May 26, 2006 17:38 | #30 How do I handle that? Easy wait till they make a version that has it. 5D | 17-40L | Tammy 28-75 2.8 | 28-135 | 50/1.8 | 85/1.8 | Sony A6000 2-Lens Kit | SEL35 1.8 | EF 50 1.8 on NEX as my 75mm 1.8
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