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May 28, 2006 01:59 |  #1

I bought the 17-40L on Friday with intentions of shooting landscapes and whatnot, but it got more use today sitting just a few feet from our humming bird feeder. These are my first attempts at shooting any kind of birds, and I know it's kind of cheating to get them on a feeder, but that's about all I can do right now without having a big zoom lens. Anyway, these are the best out of about 50 that I took. The first five are at f4 with varying shutter speeds (between 320 and 800) and the last was f16 with a flash at 200 ss. All ISO 100 and still looking a little grainy (I don't have a noise reduction program at this time). All 100% crops as well.


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May 28, 2006 05:32 |  #2

what a shame they are so dark, they would have been great shots. Maybe if they weren't cropped so hard, the noise would be less of an issue. Maybe someone can have a shot at lightening one. I am not that good at pp. It's not cheating using a feeder. Quite a few people get their photos of birds at feeders.


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May 28, 2006 09:50 |  #3
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JT,they have noise because they are crops and underexpossed,the only one with a half desent expossure is the last one that you used flass.
For first time and the lens you used though,they are not that bad.
Try to exposse them corectly in the future,check your camera`s histogram.


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May 28, 2006 10:26 as a reply to  @ Dimitri_V's post |  #4

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JT,they have noise because they are crops and underexpossed,the only one with a half desent expossure is the last one that you used flass.
For first time and the lens you used though,they are not that bad.
Try to exposse them corectly in the future,check your camera`s histogram.

Yeah, the lighting wasn't that great, even though the sun was shining nearly directly on the feeder, and I still had to do some tweaking with levels in photoshop. I should have known that would cause more noise than usual. At one point I even clamped a work light to my tripod, but that didn't seem to help either. I'm still don't have a Speedlight, so I'm limited to 200 when using the flash. Perhaps a REAL flash (ie: faster) could make a difference in the future. I suppose if I were using a slower shutter speed they would have turned out better, lighting wise, but those damn hb's are QUICK! I was sitting there with my shutter release cable and each time they'd pause to roost for a second, I'd click the button and it seems the exact instance they heard the sound, they'd jump. I had a lot of shots where they were blurred due to the reaction of the shutter sound.

I tried my 50 1.4 to get more light, but then I lost quality in the image. The birds looked a bit more fuzzy. Perhaps if I had tried to focus directly on the bird while it was feeding instead of on the "flower" before the bird arrived, I might have been able to get a clearer shot with that tiny DOF.

Thanks for the comments and I'll try something different next time, as far as the lighting goes.


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May 28, 2006 20:44 as a reply to  @ J T's post |  #5

I ran you first one through "neat image" which I just downloaded. Heres how it came out.

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May 28, 2006 20:55 |  #6

Is the reason you underexposed so you could get a higher shutter speed?
If so, dont do that, change the iso, it will result in lower noise.


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May 29, 2006 08:41 as a reply to  @ Emenresu's post |  #7

Emenresu wrote:
Is the reason you underexposed so you could get a higher shutter speed?
If so, dont do that, change the iso, it will result in lower noise.

Well, when I metered the shot prior the bird showing up, I wasn't really underexposing it (at least not intentionally). As tame as these birds seemed to be at the time (at one point I stood about two feet from the feeder watching one of them eat), I don't think it would have been possible to move into position to set the metering on the bird itself. Any slight movement and they were very skittish. I think my main problem was the angle of the light. I think I'll also color the roost green or black instead of white so it doesn't get blown out (as in the one with the flash). I'll try some fill lighting next time coming from underneath. Also, doesn't a higher ISO increase noise?

AA, it looks like you cleaned it up ("smoothed it out" as I like to think of it as) pretty good. I need to get a program to do that.


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May 30, 2006 19:15 |  #8

The 17-40 is definitely not the best lens to use for these birds, but I suppose it is always fun to just play around :)

If you are serious about photographing hummingbirds use something like a 70-200, shoot at 200mm, f4, 1/2000sec, bump up the ISO to get the fast shutter speed, and use high speed sync on your flash. If you like to get some motion blurr in the wings, adjust the shutterspeed accordingly.
The longer lens allows you to track the birds easier.

You can download "noiseware" for free, it works for me. Just google it.

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