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Jun 06, 2006 02:19 as a reply to  @ post 1589572 |  #31

Hi

About that pic at f2.8. All points are true. I had not done anything to set up the white balance (no need for focus issues), exposure was left at default (using aperture priority) and the magazine is not quite perpendicular. Shots just done to demonstrate the various apertures.

All the shots were taken with a tripod (and I have shot sharp images with the 20D on a tripod at slower shutter speeds), and all of that set using the timer. Even the f32 shot with a 5 second exposure is not showing signs of camera shake.

Not sure how else I can try and explain this. The main problem I am having is with panned shots, with the shutter speed around 1/160th or faster. Compared to the 20D the success rate I am having is very poor. The shots in this thread are to demonstrate the focusing of this camera while trying to exclude camera handling issues (why I have used a tripod).

The question is, what can I do to improve my success with panned shots (with these shots demonstrating the focusing). For example what setting would be best for CFn20 when shooting high speed vehicles (not anything in the foreground to disrupt the autofocus).

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Jun 06, 2006 11:08 as a reply to  @ Kickstart's post |  #32

C.F. 17-1 for sports.

All of your other issues are you, and not the camera.......period. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just the facts........look at the last 3 pages of replys. The camera is far superior to your 20D, you just need to learn how to use it right. As I said a page and a half ago.....the camera has a learning curve for most people, the fact that you used Landscape for a sports shot tells me you need to learning this camera. If you had read your manual you would have known the are 3 custom settings that start with any picture style (such as standard, so your blues & greens are not over cooked.......like Landscape) that you can change to suit your need's. Again, I'm honestly not trying to be mean, but you really need to take a step back and learn a little about that camera.


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Jun 06, 2006 11:21 as a reply to  @ Kickstart's post |  #33

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

About that pic at f2.8. All points are true. I had not done anything to set up the white balance (no need for focus issues), exposure was left at default (using aperture priority) and the magazine is not quite perpendicular. Shots just done to demonstrate the various apertures.

All the shots were taken with a tripod (and I have shot sharp images with the 20D on a tripod at slower shutter speeds), and all of that set using the timer. Even the f32 shot with a 5 second exposure is not showing signs of camera shake.

Not sure how else I can try and explain this. The main problem I am having is with panned shots, with the shutter speed around 1/160th or faster. Compared to the 20D the success rate I am having is very poor. The shots in this thread are to demonstrate the focusing of this camera while trying to exclude camera handling issues (why I have used a tripod).

The question is, what can I do to improve my success with panned shots (with these shots demonstrating the focusing). For example what setting would be best for CFn20 when shooting high speed vehicles (not anything in the foreground to disrupt the autofocus).

All the best

Keith

Simple practice
Can we see a 20D panned shot




  
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Jun 06, 2006 16:04 as a reply to  @ gsgary's post |  #34

Hi

I have been using the centre autofocus point. Is it worthwhile expanding this (given that the bikes generally fill the frame)? Or is this allowing it more latitude to find a line to use for focusing?

What else do you suggest for high speed sports use on a 1D? The use of landscape was just a quick bodge to up the sharpening (without bothering about the colour).

The images I have been putting here have just been to try and display and focusing issues. More of a serious play tonight (tripod, remote release, 4 different lenses, shooting a ruler at 45 degrees to the camera, centre autofocus point, f5.6 as common to all the lenses) and there does seem to be a minor autofocus issue. The results varied slightly with different lenses. The 120-300 was pretty close to being correct, but the 24-70 f2.8 Sigma appeared to focus about 5cm along the ruler from the focus point (closer to the camera). Similar results with the Canon 100-400 lense and the Sigma 70-200. However although this is not right I do not think it is affecting the issue with panning (not going to be far enough out to make any real difference with a smaller aperture).

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http://www.traxpics.co​.uk …0-1352/Small/IMG_8592.JP​G (external link)

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Jun 06, 2006 20:51 as a reply to  @ Kickstart's post |  #35

Kickstart wrote:
What else do you suggest for high speed sports use on a 1D? The use of landscape was just a quick bodge to up the sharpening (without bothering about the colour).

Eh? Why didn't you just turn up the sharpening setting? You can set that independantly of everything else.




  
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Jun 07, 2006 02:57 as a reply to  @ redbutt's post |  #36

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Eh? Why didn't you just turn up the sharpening setting? You can set that independantly of everything else.

I know, but I just wanted a quick try, and that was a simple change.

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Jun 07, 2006 04:35 as a reply to  @ Kickstart's post |  #37

My shots looked like that when i first got my 10D but now i know how to get white balance and exposure right they look great,i think most of these shots are user error




  
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Jun 07, 2006 13:53 as a reply to  @ gsgary's post |  #38

gsgary wrote:
My shots looked like that when i first got my 10D but now i know how to get white balance and exposure right they look great,i think most of these shots are user error

How does white balance and exposure affect the images being in focus on panned shots?

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Jun 07, 2006 15:56 |  #39

The 1D mkII and mkIIn are both very capable cameras. I second the arguments already mentioned: Open up and try again at higher shutter speeds! Give the 1D a chance, try around f/5.6 and 1/1000 or faster!!

Furthermore, 1D mk II and mkIIn images may appear "soft" if you're used to 20D. The files from these cameras often needs some sharpening. The "raw" files are much more "untouched" by inbuilt sharpening on a 1D II/n than on a 20D.


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Jun 07, 2006 17:43 as a reply to  @ clicky's post |  #40

clicky wrote:
The 1D mkII and mkIIn are both very capable cameras.

I certainly hope so!

clicky wrote:
I second the arguments already mentioned: Open up and try again at higher shutter speeds! Give the 1D a chance, try around f/5.6 and 1/1000 or faster!!

Those pics were purely for showing focus. No attempt made at anything else (such as white balance or anything else). For what I use the camera for 1/1000 is useless as all motion blur will be lost, hence why (generally) I used 1/160 (sometimes slower if I was happy with a high thow away rate) on the 20D.

clicky wrote:
Furthermore, 1D mk II and mkIIn images may appear "soft" if you're used to 20D.

Quite possibly. For testing I had selected the landscape mode just as a quick way to up the sharpening one stop. It did make things a touch better, but still did not solve the problem. Basically the images are blurred far more often than with the 20D. Quite probably there are settings I need to be using on the 1D (and I will be trying the expanded autofocus points this weekend). Possibly more time is needed to get used to the weight for panning. What it looks like in the panned shots is that it is not tracking the moving subjects that consistantly

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