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Jun 09, 2006 22:36 |  #1

I have done a quick search but haven't found an answer yet. Everyone says there is a learning curve with the 100-400L. Please explain to me just why or what that learning curve consists of. Is it really different than learning to use any other new zoom lens?


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Jun 09, 2006 22:48 |  #2

I've not really heard this before. I don't see what it peculiar about this lens over others. Most of the lenses I have heard require "learning curves" were fast primes with extremely smal DOF.


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Jun 09, 2006 23:24 |  #3

Sparky98 wrote:
I have done a quick search but haven't found an answer yet. Everyone says there is a learning curve with the 100-400L. Please explain to me just why or what that learning curve consists of. Is it really different than learning to use any other new zoom lens?

I think its because it is heavier and longer than any other lens that most people own at the time of the purchase. I would guess that people might say the same thing about the 400L and 300L if they bought those lens before the 100-400.




  
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Jun 09, 2006 23:28 |  #4

I have never heard this either. Maybe the push/pull zoom?


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Jun 10, 2006 02:30 as a reply to  @ R_Metzel's post |  #5

It is a beautiful lens - heavy to my girlfriend, but well worth it.

Far better pics than my 70-300 IS USM, but that is only 40% of the price :)

No learning curve if the weight is not a problem.


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Jun 10, 2006 02:43 |  #6

i got mine a few weeks ago and it felt fine right away. in fact, now that I think of it, my best shot with the lens yet was taken on the first day I owned it!


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Jun 10, 2006 04:32 |  #7

I've rented one to try out this weekend so I'll let you know;) So far I've say the push/pull is the only thing that feels different than my 70-200. It's little stiff to zoom smoothly.


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Jun 10, 2006 04:37 |  #8

There is a great learning curve to taking good photo's from a craft and a copmposition point of view. If you know how to do those things then no lens in particular has a learning curve you need worry about. Things like DOF on a very fast lens or shake on a longer lens are perfectly understandable if anyone knows the basics of craft so you just compensate based on knowledge and experience.

One thing with IS lenses I find is they can sometimes make you lazy. Some may think you can use USM and IS almost as a point and shoot. You can't ... or you can but you may be shocked at how poor a keeper ratio you have. Whenever you can take your time and ensure you compose and expose well. Same applies to any lens.


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Jun 10, 2006 05:40 as a reply to  @ condyk's post |  #9

condyk wrote:
There is a great learning curve to taking good photo's from a craft and a copmposition point of view. If you know how to do those things then no lens in particular has a learning curve you need worry about. Things like DOF on a very fast lens or shake on a longer lens are perfectly understandable if anyone knows the basics of craft so you just compensate based on knowledge and experience.

One thing with IS lenses I find is they can sometimes make you lazy. Some may think you can use USM and IS almost as a point and shoot. You can't ... or you can but you may be shocked at how poor a keeper ratio you have. Whenever you can take your time and ensure you compose and expose well. Same applies to any lens.

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Jun 10, 2006 06:32 |  #10

But there's something special about this lens that needs training, or at least getting used to.

Its Zoom action is a push/pull type. Meaning it needs to be pushed or pulled to get the zoom range to where you want it to. No zooming Ring.

It also has a 'Zoom Friction' adjustment, to prevent an occasional unwanted zooming when tilted up or down.




  
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Jun 10, 2006 12:25 |  #11

I think your talking about the problems I had with the lens at first.
I thought as this lens was IS, I could use it at 400mm at 250th sec and get a perfect shot.
This was the only problem I have found so far.
Once you realise the limitation of the IS system, the lens really is great.



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Jun 10, 2006 15:03 as a reply to  @ Cathpah's post |  #12

Cathpah wrote:
i got mine a few weeks ago and it felt fine right away. in fact, now that I think of it, my best shot with the lens yet was taken on the first day I owned it!

Agreed! felt fine to me-I got mine last week, and found that using my monopod helps get a higher percent of great shots. Very happy with mine


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Jun 11, 2006 10:21 |  #13

I rented one a couple of weeks ago, loved it, and picked up a used one for a great price. I have had some great luck with it. Figuring out the limitations of the IS is a necessary thing like Simon says.

I have one question for experienced users. If I were using my monopod should I have the IS on, and if so, should I use Mode 2 for panning?


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Jun 11, 2006 10:50 as a reply to  @ BearLeeAlive's post |  #14

Hi Sparky!

No learning curve here with the 300D + 100-400mm! Went out after 5 days of owning my first DSLR and This lens and shot 650 pics of a Thunderbird Airshow(All hand held)...98% keepers!!

Here's the album location and a couple of samples below!
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The Push-Pull Action of the zoom adjustment was intuative and acceptable after 5 minutes with the 100-400, I guess you could say a "very short" learning curve!! As others have said, try one at a retailer store...that's what sold me on-the-spot!!!

To BLA, I've used the 100-400 very successfully with a monopod and Image Stabalization, same techniques as hand-holding, but with even better results! ;)

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Jun 11, 2006 18:41 |  #15

No different from any other lens for me.
Infact push/pull was very easy to get used too. Most of the people may hate it, but I like it for quick zooming in/out for fast subjects, easier then turning the ring...

I just mounted mine & clik clik clik ;)
Only confusion I had in the begining & for which I consulted fstopjojo was how to make sure IS was working !


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