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Jun 24, 2006 11:53 as a reply to  @ post 1651384 |  #16

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The technical aspects of photography are so easy to teach and critique, very objective and defined.

But then you also get into the 'break the rule' departure which may be technically not 'per the book' but which are very valid from an articstic perspective. For example, I have shot tungsten balanced film at dawn because I wanted bluer color balance...that isn't technically correct, but it is artistic interpretation of the scene!

And lastly, composition is so subjective...what works for one fails to work for someone else. As I pointed out to someone who invited me to critique a body of work of his, I hate Impressionism and Picasso..so who am I to critique his photography?!?!?!

Who appoints any of us to be photographic 'god' and declare what works and what doesn't from any artistic standpoint? In painting, very different styles were popular over the centuries, but any single style comes and goes, so it is with photography...differen​t strokes for different folks. that is why I seldom every criticize someone's photo from any aspect other than technique or techical because that is a bit better defined.

Wilt this is all true. However I think what scraggles and I are both intrested in are more of the rules. It is kinda like my job. I know what the rules are (actually laws), and I know how to bend the rules to accomplish the sale when need be without breaking any of those LAWS. I once posted a photo that I was somewhat "proud" of and got a bashing, but I learned from that bashing. I wished people would post more of thier opinions. I understand that a lot of the time that it is just that an opinion. I would like however to see some of the professionals - the great photographers - offer insite to some of us ameture photogs. I guess that is what we are really asking for when it comes right down to it. Explainations in what would make a photo better, what composition would have been better, etc.

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Jun 24, 2006 15:13 |  #17

It is true that someone will love whatever you do, someone will dislike it, etc., however,the real problem as I see it is finding someone who is knowledgeable, honest, and thorough in their feedback. This is my particular area of interest. I teach photography and am a critique professional. I have seen so many photographers grow with the right help and guidance. Good luck! p.s. do you want an assignment?


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Jun 24, 2006 15:22 |  #18
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I can toss about quite a few ideas from my assignments from Brooks Institute, but don't really have the time or energy to go beyond a critique of a finished photo


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Jun 24, 2006 16:21 as a reply to  @ photocrit's post |  #19

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p.s. do you want an assignment?

Sure why not.


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Jun 24, 2006 16:31 |  #20

Ok, I will give an assignment, but first I need to know who is interested in doing it. If it is only 24 zero, feel free to contact me directly and we can talk from there.


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Jun 24, 2006 17:22 |  #21

I have a site with photography terms/rules explain with lots of pictures( couldn't understand guys who explain photography without pictures), but for now it only in Croatian.
If you have any question, feel free to ask.


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Jun 24, 2006 17:47 |  #22

scraggles... www.betterphoto.com (external link)

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Jun 24, 2006 18:05 |  #23

what about joining a photography club?


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Jun 28, 2006 11:55 |  #24

Scraggles,

Did you ever find a teacher? Do you have an assignment at this point?


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Jun 28, 2006 12:05 as a reply to  @ post 1651384 |  #25

Interestinc concept but a killer for the instructors. Most major cities have a camera club(s). These clubs offer great opportunities for learning from the most experienced right down to the very beginner. Most of them offer field trips and photography competition and the fees are very minimal but the return on the small investment in terms of knowledge shared/gained and new friends acquired is unmeasurable.




  
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Jun 28, 2006 12:14 |  #26

I've looked into camera clubs in my area and I have to tell you that it's bleak. The latest way to get together is through "MeetUP.com" It's a good idea, however, when you look at how many members there are versus how many people actually meet to discuss photography, again, it is bleak. 54 members/4 will show up. There isn't a consistency and the discussion is all about the process of getting a group going. But then, as an educator, I'm obviously biased toward education. There is nothing that will help photographers grow like the relationship between teacher and student. Both learn tremendously from each other.


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Jun 28, 2006 12:37 |  #27

I dislike instructors who put things in dogmatic fashion...as if there is no deviation from that rule permissible under any circumstances

For example, "You should never have more than one catchlight in the eye" fo classic formal portraiture.

Often clubs which critique member photos will adhere very rigidly to such rules...and ignore whether or not the photo is otherwise a masterpiece!


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Jun 28, 2006 12:43 |  #28

Couldn't agree more, Wilt. The tricky part in giving people suggestions for making their work stronger comes in when you do have to definitively say something. Sometimes the suggestion comes from the canon of photography (and no I don't mean the manufacturer!) and sometimes it comes from intuition. It can also come from the history of knowing someone's work. Knowing what someone has shot in the past and what they want to do with their photography in the future is perhaps the most helpful in knowing what to say to them. It takes risks on both teacher and students' part.


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Jun 28, 2006 12:59 as a reply to  @ photocrit's post |  #29

What I have noticed is when I post pictures - be it here or elsewhere - when I get comments, they are, "nice shot" or "I like that". What I am in the market for is: "look you did this well, you did this not so well, what was your intent, if you had done this, Ok I see what you were trying to do maybe if you had ....,"

I agree with what Wilt says that there should not be a strict sense of rules because I have taken what I believe to be some wonderful shots where an automobile was "hidden" behind a tree where the tree was out of focus and the shot looked great. But the "style" reflected me feel or mood or take on the car or what ever that day.
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Jun 28, 2006 16:28 |  #30

Well put Wilt!!!


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