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Dec 04, 2003 18:14 |  #16

ruby wrote:
Hi Dave,
I was wondering if you could post an example. I am also looking into buying a lighting setup for my d60. I have a loft though with one side being all window so I get ALOT of really soft ambiant light. I was wondering what would be the best thing to add to this? 1 mono light?
Thanks Ruby

I don't know how to post an image on this site. Email me at dgrandy@grandyphoto.co​m (external link) and I'll send you one.


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Dec 04, 2003 19:03 |  #17

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I don't know how to post an image on this site. Email me at dgrandy@grandyphoto.co​m (external link) and I'll send you one.

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Dec 05, 2003 08:12 |  #18

robertwgross wrote:
DaveG wrote:
I don't know how to post an image on this site. Email me at dgrandy@grandyphoto.co​m (external link) and I'll send you one.

See Help at the top of this page. Then look for Embed Image.

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Yeah that really helps. Not.


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Dec 05, 2003 17:53 |  #19

DaveG wrote:
robertwgross wrote:
DaveG wrote:
I don't know how to post an image on this site. Email me at dgrandy@grandyphoto.co​m (external link) and I'll send you one.

See Help at the top of this page. Then look for Embed Image.

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Yeah that really helps. Not.

Dave,

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Hope that helps
Ilya

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Dec 05, 2003 18:17 |  #20

ilya wrote:
DaveG wrote:
robertwgross wrote:
DaveG wrote:
I don't know how to post an image on this site. Email me at dgrandy@grandyphoto.co​m (external link) and I'll send you one.

See Help at the top of this page. Then look for Embed Image.

---Bob Gross---


Yeah that really helps. Not.

Dave,

IMG NOTICE: [NOT AN IMAGE URL, NOT RENDERED INLINE]


Hope that helps
Ilya

My problem is that I just want to email the image - just like the message, not have it (apparentlty) hosted somewhere else.


"There's never time to do it right. But there's always time to do it over."
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Dec 05, 2003 18:18 |  #21

DaveG wrote:
ilya wrote:
DaveG wrote:
robertwgross wrote:
DaveG wrote:
I don't know how to post an image on this site. Email me at dgrandy@grandyphoto.co​m (external link) and I'll send you one.

See Help at the top of this page. Then look for Embed Image.

---Bob Gross---


Yeah that really helps. Not.

Dave,

IMG NOTICE: [NOT AN IMAGE URL, NOT RENDERED INLINE]


Hope that helps
Ilya

My problem is that I just want to email the image - just like the message, not have it (apparentlty) hosted somewhere else.

Email it to ilyac@comcast.net (external link) and I'll post it

ilya


1D Mark II and stuff

  
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Dec 05, 2003 18:52 |  #22

DaveG wrote:
Yeah that really helps. Not.

Gee, I'm sorry that you could not understand my pointer.

If people do not find where the Help instructions are already stated on this forum, then they will be asking for the same help over and over. Once they find the Help instructions, then it gets simple. I simply pointed to Help.

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Dec 05, 2003 20:18 |  #23

"Hi Dave,
I was wondering if you could post an example. I am also looking into buying a lighting
setup for my d60. I have a loft though with one side being all window so I get ALOT of
really soft ambiant light. I was wondering what would be the best thing to add to this? 1
mono light?"

The window light would be the main light so all that you'd be looking to do would be to
add some fill. This could be done as easily and cheaply as using some white foam core
as a reflector. Since you are reflecting light, by definition it can't be as bright as the
source, so it'd have to be the fill. You can get foam core at most art supplies stores and
you might want to ask for damaged pieces. You are just using them to reflect light and
you’ll ding ‘em sooner rather than later so the shop may be happy to sell you a (cheap)
damaged piece. Interestingly the foam core is easily obtained with white on one side and
black on the other. The BLACK can be used as an background or even to create a
negative fill.

I've sent a couple of shots to the site as the other poster suggested, and I'm sure he will
post them, and I thank him for that. These are non digital shots but the principles are the
same. In both of these shots there is NO fill at all. The light is just that big happy soft
window light. I like to place candles in the background of these types of portraits, as it
adds a sense of place and depth.

The lens is a Mamiya 145 f4 soft lens. It has a tremendous (infinite?) capability to vary
softness, with a rotating front element that causes softness which is also affected by the
aperture. You may or may not like the softness and there is no right or wrong in that, it’s
just what you like.


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Dec 05, 2003 21:08 |  #24

ILYA......I have been in photography for over 30 years and you can get gorgeous shots from One alien bee unit and an umbrella. I often use a relector to fill the shadow side....Looks fantastic!!




  
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Dec 06, 2003 08:50 |  #25

I'll jump in because I have some experience with this.

I started off with a Vivitar 285Hv. Good for what it is but it is limited.

Graduate to a Metz54 for the Canon. I wanted auto and ETTL as well as manual. An improvement over the Vivitar. ETTL is different and takes some practice to get right.

Last summer I jumped up to 2 AB units (a B400 and a B800), softboxes, etc. I never looked back.

*IF* you need flash I suggest the AB units. If you need portable flash I suggest the Metz54. In fact, depending on your work you might want both at some point. I carry my Metz with me for those times when I need some fill to soft shadows.

The suggestions about large windows and form core reflectors are 100% on the money. Nothing can replace natural light in my book.

Take care and have fun.

ilya wrote:
Hi All,

I need advice. I'd like to set up a mini-mini-studio in my house just to take decent portraits of my family. I don't want to go all out, nor will this ever need to scale into commercial work.

Equipment now in possession: 10D, 420EX, 50 1.8, 17-40L, 28-135IS, 75-300IS, tripod and a monopod.

Here are the options I'm considering, would very much appreciate advice and guidance, as well as any other suggestions for a set-up that is reasonable and won't require permanent alterations to the house :)

1. Add 1 x 550EX ($330). The 550 goes on a camera shoe, and use the 420 as a wireless slave on a lightstand. Benefits - TTL, relatively inexpensive, should be enough for my needs (?). Need lightstand, backdrop, and 550ex (about $600 total)

2. 2 x 550 plus ST-2 Transmitter kit (B&H bundle $799). Seems like kind of overkill. I assume that either the ST or the 550s can still trigger the 420(?). Need 2 lightstands, backdrop, and kit ($1000+)

3. AlienBees Beginner Bee package ($359). Includes
1 B800 Flash Unit
1 10' General Purpose Stand
1 48" Silver/White Reversible Bounce Umbrella
1 AlienBees Single Light Carrying Bag

Seems like AB is a great deal. For about the cost of the 550EX I get a pretty sophisticated set up, and if I ever do want to scale up, its very expandable. The cons are that its not as sleek as a couple of Speedlights, its not TTL (?), its a bit bulkier, and ?

Thanks in advance for any guidance

Ilya

Edit -

Add option #4 - a couple of $70 sunpack 383s that get triggered by the 420ex. That would be I guess a really basic but inexpensive option.


Tony
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