Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
Thread started 27 Oct 2003 (Monday) 10:58
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Extension Tube Math?

 
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
40,858 posts
Gallery: 116 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 8910
Joined May 2002
Location: Midwest
     
Mar 10, 2009 13:09 |  #31

gregpphoto wrote in post #7495283 (external link)
And as to the OP saying that "why should I pay for metal, theres no optics" I agree. I bought some ebay hong kong extention tubes, $9 with shipping. It's metal, and doesn't allow lens to camera commo, what could it possibly do? I see no need to spend $100 or more on hollow aluminum tubes.

Depends if you want full use of your AF lenses, or if you want to manual focus and lose aperture control. I like the electronics pass through, one less think to worry about and I can let the camera do what I intended it to do. Might as well buy reversing rings if you don't want AF tubes, even cheaper than cheap tubes.

Ever want some fun if you have a 100-400L? Plug in all 3 tubes, then add the 1.4x TC and see how you like your 400mm macro lens!


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)
"Man only has 5 senses, and sometimes not even that, so if they define the world, the universe, the dimensions of existence, and spirituality with just these limited senses, their view of what-is and what-can-be is very myopic indeed and they are doomed, now and forever."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gregpphoto
Goldmember
1,123 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jun 2008
Location: NJ
     
Mar 10, 2009 13:49 |  #32

TeamSpeed wrote in post #7495337 (external link)
Depends if you want full use of your AF lenses, or if you want to manual focus and lose aperture control. I like the electronics pass through, one less think to worry about and I can let the camera do what I intended it to do. Might as well buy reversing rings if you don't want AF tubes, even cheaper than cheap tubes.

Ever want some fun if you have a 100-400L? Plug in all 3 tubes, then add the 1.4x TC and see how you like your 400mm macro lens!

That is a great point. All depends on your usages I guess.

Cheaper than tubes? But you'd need a bunch of rings to get up to 55mm in length, as one set of $9 tubes gives me.


gregpphoto.com (external link)
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gregpphoto
Goldmember
1,123 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jun 2008
Location: NJ
     
Mar 10, 2009 13:54 |  #33

foxbat wrote in post #7357957 (external link)
The formula for magnification is here:

http://www.peterforsel​l.com/macro.html (external link)

Great link! I just did the math on a whole bunch of setups.

40mm lens reversed - 4x
40mm w/ 35mm stacked and reversed - 1.1x

One set of 55mm tubes, 70-200 at 200mm, 35mm reversed, is 7.2x! Two sets of ext. tubes, becomes 9.3x.

Oh, and if you had an extension tube aprox. one light second long (~180,000 mi) with a 40mm lens at the end, you'd get about 7.1 trillion x. That's what I want.


gregpphoto.com (external link)
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
40,858 posts
Gallery: 116 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 8910
Joined May 2002
Location: Midwest
     
Mar 10, 2009 17:46 |  #34

gregpphoto wrote in post #7495597 (external link)
Cheaper than tubes? But you'd need a bunch of rings to get up to 55mm in length, as one set of $9 tubes gives me.

Hopefully you looked a bit more into what a reversing ring does, it appears maybe you have.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)
"Man only has 5 senses, and sometimes not even that, so if they define the world, the universe, the dimensions of existence, and spirituality with just these limited senses, their view of what-is and what-can-be is very myopic indeed and they are doomed, now and forever."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gregpphoto
Goldmember
1,123 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jun 2008
Location: NJ
     
Mar 11, 2009 13:30 |  #35

TeamSpeed wrote in post #7497102 (external link)
Might as well buy reversing rings if you don't want AF tubes, even cheaper than cheap tubes... Hopefully you looked a bit more into what a reversing ring does, it appears maybe you have.

A reversing ring lets one lens attach backwards to another lens. How does that replace extension tubes? Besides, I'm going to use ext. tubes in conjunction w/ the reversing ring, going from 3.7x reversed to 7.2x reversed, all because of some nine-dolla tubes ya'll!


gregpphoto.com (external link)
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Willie
Senior Member
959 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Feb 2004
     
Mar 11, 2009 13:46 |  #36

Man, talk about reviving an old thread.

Here's an online calculator:

http://home.comcast.ne​t …e_Close-up_Calculator.htm (external link)

and a chart for various Canon lenses and extension tubes and close-up combinations:

http://www.bobatkins.c​om …graphy/eosfaq/c​loseup.htm (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
40,858 posts
Gallery: 116 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 8910
Joined May 2002
Location: Midwest
     
Mar 11, 2009 14:14 |  #37

gregpphoto wrote in post #7502978 (external link)
A reversing ring lets one lens attach backwards to another lens. How does that replace extension tubes? Besides, I'm going to use ext. tubes in conjunction w/ the reversing ring, going from 3.7x reversed to 7.2x reversed, all because of some nine-dolla tubes ya'll!

A reversing ring turns a telephoto or zoom lens into a high-powered, albeit tedious, macro lens. If you flip the Canon kit lens 18-55 around, you get a killer super macro lens, even more magnification than the tubes give you depending on your settings. My reversing ring mounted to the body, not to another lens.

This was done with a reversed kit lens, at a pretty good working distance. I could have gone closer to really fill the sensor, but the fly would have flown off.

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


I just didn't like the manual setting of the aperture part of the process. The ring I used was like this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com …ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm​dZViewItem (external link)

Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)
"Man only has 5 senses, and sometimes not even that, so if they define the world, the universe, the dimensions of existence, and spirituality with just these limited senses, their view of what-is and what-can-be is very myopic indeed and they are doomed, now and forever."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gregpphoto
Goldmember
1,123 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jun 2008
Location: NJ
     
Mar 11, 2009 20:31 |  #38

TeamSpeed wrote in post #7503231 (external link)
A reversing ring turns a telephoto or zoom lens into a high-powered, albeit tedious, macro lens. If you flip the Canon kit lens 18-55 around, you get a killer super macro lens, even more magnification than the tubes give you depending on your settings. My reversing ring mounted to the body, not to another lens.

That's what I do currently, flip a lens around. But by flipping it and adding extension tubes, I can almost double my magnification.


gregpphoto.com (external link)
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
40,858 posts
Gallery: 116 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 8910
Joined May 2002
Location: Midwest
     
Mar 11, 2009 21:25 |  #39

gregpphoto wrote in post #7505725 (external link)
That's what I do currently, flip a lens around. But by flipping it and adding extension tubes, I can almost double my magnification.

Yup... or just all 3 tubes on a dedicated 1:1 macro lens too, but at that point, the dragonflies get a little scared! Just add a 1.4x TC to the whole combo as well.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)
"Man only has 5 senses, and sometimes not even that, so if they define the world, the universe, the dimensions of existence, and spirituality with just these limited senses, their view of what-is and what-can-be is very myopic indeed and they are doomed, now and forever."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosGuy
Cream of the Crop, R.I.P.
Avatar
75,941 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 2610
Joined Feb 2004
Location: Middle of Michigan
     
Mar 11, 2009 23:19 |  #40

I believe Askey (among quite a few others) advises the use of close up 'filters' with zooms. These 'filters' don't degrade the IQ much, provide more consistent AF function (if you use AF for macro work), and eliminate the need to refocus when zooming to different focal lengths.

I've used them mostly on my Nikon F. They're fairly sharp stopped down & you don't have to lose auto exposure. Problem is that you'll be working VERY close to the subject. This is a copy of a slide using the +10 diopter one:

IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/PhotosGuy/Samples%20-%20General/Grasshopper-IR-03.jpg?t=1236830701

A reversing ring turns a telephoto or zoom lens into a high-powered, albeit tedious, macro lens.
&
I just didn't like the manual setting of the aperture part of the process. The ring I used was like this one.

Stopping down before shooting can be a PITA. I took these with the 85mm f/1.8 on the cam with a 50mm f/1.4 Nikkor reversed on the front & it worked fairly well.
Frost - Close up this time.

In this video, he used a 50mm reversed on 105: ProPhotoLife macro photography trick (external link)

Lens reversing, which one to use?


FrankC - 20D, RAW, Manual everything...
Classic Carz, Racing, Air Show, Flowers.
Find the light... A few Car Lighting Tips, and MOVE YOUR FEET!
Have you thought about making your own book? // Need an exposure crutch?
New Image Size Limits: Image must not exceed 1600 pixels on any side.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
simple1212
Hatchling
1 post
Joined Sep 2009
     
Sep 04, 2009 16:12 |  #41

the post is excellent.. tube math..
Simple interest calculator calculation rates mortgage compound high interest savings account (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kaystewartphoto
Stuck on top of the bloody christmas tree!
Avatar
3,025 posts
Joined Nov 2009
Location: sevenoaks, kent
     
Jan 20, 2010 08:37 |  #42

Do extension tubes work with the 18-55mm kit lens?


Website (external link):Flickr (external link):UK South East 10th Thread of Heaven
Canon 500D w grip/Canon 600/Sigma 10-20/EF 28-70/EF 20-35/EF 28-90/EF 70-200mm f4L/EF-S 18-55mm/EF 50mm f1.8/EF 100mm/SIGMA 150-500mm/Kenko 1.4x & canon 2x Converter/430EX II/Gorrilapod SLR/Manfrotto 7302YB/Manfrotto 679B/RS-60E3/SD Cards

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Willie
Senior Member
959 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Feb 2004
     
Jan 20, 2010 08:44 |  #43

kskitt wrote in post #9432596 (external link)
Do extension tubes work with the 18-55mm kit lens?

Yes, they will work. Just make sure to use the latest ones that are compatible with EF-S lenses. The older Canon and Kenko ones will not work. The Canon II and tne Kenko (not sure on model) will work fine.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

88,000 views & 0 likes for this thread, 20 members have posted to it and it is followed by 2 members.
Extension Tube Math?
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is reverse222
883 guests, 110 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.