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Have I got A Bad Sigma 10-20..HELP PLEASE!

 
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Aug 10, 2006 07:55 |  #1

I am driving myself crazy with this lens I bought yesterday. To me it seems soft and have to use unsharp mask to make all shots look reasonable. Just 2 test shots provided taken at F8 125. DOF should be a little better than is I think. Help needed or am I just being a sharpen fanatic or expecting more,more and more? ;)


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Aug 10, 2006 08:06 |  #2

Just sharpened tese up and what a difference


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Aug 10, 2006 08:13 |  #3

Got any 100% crops so people can see in more detail?

The problem with full size images that are resized is that a lot of detail is lost, so you really can't comment on the sharpness because the detail just isn't there to comment on :)


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Aug 10, 2006 08:50 |  #4

Now cropped but not sharpened. Any Help Please?


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Aug 10, 2006 11:00 |  #5

Sorry - It's just way too hard to judge by those pics. Take more pics and force the camera to refocus each time (just manually focus to infinity, switch back to AF and refocus). Is it consistently soft? That is the key that I've learned recently. If it's sharp sometimes, and not other times, it's not the lens.


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Aug 10, 2006 11:03 |  #6

You have too many compression artifacts in those photos to judge anything.


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Aug 10, 2006 11:21 |  #7

If you also want to look at sharpness, I'd take pics of flat subjects so the DOF selected by your aperature isn't a factor.


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Aug 10, 2006 11:31 |  #8

You must have been inches from the car for that perspective. Even a stopped down wide angle lens will give you a shallow DOF if you're focusing on something that's 12 inches away. So I think, given how sharp the front of the car is, that your depth of field was just too shallow.

Let's assume you focused on the front fender, it was 12 inches from your lens, and you were at 10mm and f/8. You DOF extends from 8 to 21 inches, i.e. a total depth of field of only 1 foot.

The point is that the single most important variable in DOF is the distance from the subject you're focused on. Following closely behind is your focal length. Way in the background is your aperture. If you're going to focus very very close to something, you're going to need to compensate with a tiny aperture to get a deep DOF. Fortunately at 10mm focal length it's not hard to do that, but f/8 isn't narrow enough.

Look up a DOF calculator, like http://www.dofmaster.c​om/dofjs.html (external link), to get a sense of how to get the most out of your DOF.

Granted superwides doesn't mean super sharp, but if you contol for DOF, camera shake, and sharpening, you should still get acceptable sharpness.


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Aug 10, 2006 11:39 |  #9

Really do appreciate all your comments and thanks but the house photo tha has been cropped was still at F8 and from that distance most of pic should be sharp but the green flower beds etc are not. Do you think I should take the lens back and get the canon instead? Sorry to drive all mad on this but need to know if it should be returned.


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Aug 10, 2006 11:42 as a reply to  @ howie0007's post |  #10

People have complained about poor quality Sigma 10-20s. It seems to depend whether you've bought a good copy.

Also consider the Tokina 12-24. It's optics are outstanding, it's built like an iron frigate, and I've never heard of a bad copy.


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Aug 10, 2006 11:59 |  #11

The Sigma 10 I know is soft on the edges and have a more pronounced vignette... The Canon 10-22mm is a better quality, but also more expensive.


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Aug 10, 2006 12:08 |  #12

Get rid if your not happy it will always be in your mind that it's not a sharp lens Get the Canon you won't be disapointed




  
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Aug 10, 2006 13:10 |  #13

There's been a lot of happy people with the 10-20's. Mine is sharp wide open. I would take pictures of something other than a car though. Take a potrait wide open up close, shoot flowers wide open up close.
Example, taken literally about 9 inches away:

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Aug 10, 2006 13:12 |  #14

Retest, shoot a flat object such as the old brick wall test and see.


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Aug 11, 2006 01:16 |  #15

Thanks for your help (to all). I love the sharpness of that portrait of kiddy. Was that taken with no PP sharpening etc straight out of camera?


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