370D & 1Ds Mark II N

I saw a Chinese mag. that mension that :

8-24-2006 will show the new 370D with 1,200

3000D show up in Taiwan web site.

1Ds Mark II N that can compare with 2,200 like MF is coming soon.

What do you mean "with 1,200" and "with 2,200 like MF"?

Probably means 12 and 22mp

a 370D at 12MP?
That would be a shocker?

Look at this site...it's a link to a page at Canon...their table of the 1Ds MKII vs. the 1DMKIIN BUT THERE IS A REFERENCE SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE PINK BOXES ABOUT THE SUPERIORITY OF THE 1DSMKIIN in these particular areas!!!!!!

http://www.canon.com …report/200511/t​able1.html

Seems to me if it's on canon's website....well, they're leaking again...

Peregrin wrote:
Look at this site...it's a link to a page at Canon...their table of the 1Ds MKII vs. the 1DMKIIN BUT THERE IS A REFERENCE SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE PINK BOXES ABOUT THE SUPERIORITY OF THE 1DSMKIIN in these particular areas!!!!!!

http://www.canon.com …report/200511/t​able1.html

Seems to me if it's on canon's website....well, they're leaking again...

I believe this is a typo, as the report date and everything else about it seems to indicate the 1D, not 1Ds.

But the table didn't used to be like that. I'd seen it before when I bought my 1DMKIIN. Now it's got the highlights with the reference to the 1 DS MKIIN...anyway, I just thought I'd share. Time will tell.

That chart is really for the 1D mark II not the IDs II. Simple mistake on Canons part.

Look at the release date, and the title of the page.

Unlikely I think. If Canon have a decent 12mp sensor it'd go in a 40D and leave the 370/400D at 10mp to help give some paper differentiation between the two price points.

Well, - lets assume you are right (I am quite sure you are)
And let's assume that the Ocean view is right too (I'm much more in doubt here)
Then the problem would have to be that the sensor is not 'decent'. Without doubt good enough to put in the 370D/400D, but not really good enough to put in the 40D

Remember, - in the lowest end the megapixels count most (and so does the dollars), - so it's here the DR, noise etc. might be exchanged for some megapixels.

Still, - my guess is a modest/small update of the 350D, - just like to 20D->30D.
Perhaps we will see the 1Ds already too. If not it will show in feb. Whether now or in feb, - that's what's going to be interesting, - and in a decent timescale (probably half a year) it will migrate down to 40D, - i.e. we could see a very nice 40D with better DR, higher ISO and perhaps even some of the megapixels too already in Feb.
In our wildest dreams it might even include dust-remover, anti-shake etc. But I think that will only be in our dreams.

I think 12mp APS-C sensors in the 40D and under class would compromise Canons range on paper. A 12mp $1400 40D would effectively kill the 5D. Take away the resolution and all the 5D is left with is a small qualitative advantage and a couple of minor features. Even then both of those things would be dependant on the 40D's spec (to match the D200 it would have to rise above the 5D by default) and the quality of the sensor (would could further narrow the gap with the 5D). The fact that the 5D is FF would become its only real stand-out and pretty much nobody puts much into a sensor size alone unless it comes with inherent advantages. A move to the 1Ds2 16.7mp sensor would re-differentiate a 5DmkII but could the sensor be produced economically enough? Unlikely unless Canon holds its hand up and tells everyone that bought a 1Ds2 that they've been screwed over given the $3500 price premium over the 1d2n.

A 370D doesn't need 12mp to compete and given the cost implications of producing a higher density sensor in the APSC format, won't get it for that reason alone. Canon NEVER gives more than it needs to as recent history shows.
Canon have two ways to go with the 370D;
1. 10mp and a minor feature upgrade
2. Same 8mp sensor but some standout features (maybe IS)
Anything less with the D80 and the Alpha on the loose would jeopardise the influx of new users at the lower end and thats where the money is. The only worry is Canons current arrogance.

Or a third way -- same sensor, no major changes, but priced way below the D50.

The entry-level DSLR market is a force to be reckoned with. I think Canon has more to gain by capturing the $500-budget people than from the $1000-budget people. You can line up the features of all the DSLRs on the market, but the low price point of the D50 speaks loudest to people.

My strategy (not necessarily theirs):

370D (or whatever) = 8MP, add features, drop the price towards D50 territory.
30D = 8MP, keep features the same, drop the price accordingly...like to $999 and it looks more competitive.
Add a "tween" 10MP APS-C camera at $1200
? = 10MP Full-frame CMOS, $1800 price point with features like D200...subsidize it, make money on the good lenses people will need.

Canon needs extreme low-end DSLR and they need one between 30D and 5D...it's a big jump in price right now...a big jump right to the D200...they need to eliminate that gap.

I think the 30D is a stop-gap measure and is not long for this world.

Okay, one last post on this for me

http://www.kirkphoto.c​om/lbracketsc.html

Check about halfway down this page for a bracket set up...it's made specifically for the
EOS 1D MK II, EOS 1D MK IIN AND EOS 1DS MK IIN

Hmmm... very interesting. Advertising screw-up? Which way - incorrect or pre-mature?

WT