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Sep 20, 2006 03:50 |  #1

Hi there, my first post BTW, lurked here for a while, but now I could do with some help :D

I was wondering what is the best file type to save my RAW's in after editing in photoshop?

I tried saving as tiff and png but the file sized doubled!

What's the best file type to use, bearing in mind I want to keep the file size about the same as the original if possible and I dont want the file types compression to alter the picture in anyway.


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P.s I tried saving as a photoshop RAW but had trouble reopening


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Sep 20, 2006 03:56 |  #2

Welcome to POTN!

It really depends on what you want to do with the image after you've finished your workflow. In most cases, you'll just need to save as a jpg file. If you save with maximum quality, the file size will naturally shrink, but you won't lose any visual quality.

However, if you're doing a fair bit of Photoshop work using layers etc, then saving as PSD (Photoshop format) will be by far the best option as it will retain all your layers and bit-depth (RAW is 16-bit, jpg is 8-bit) and give you exactly what was in the RAW file.

Most people take a backup of their RAW file anyway.


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Sep 20, 2006 04:12 |  #3

Tif with LZW will give you the smallest file without 'lossy' compression. (LZW is lossless)
Jpg quality 12 is fine for a final file (say to get printed)

As Pete says: don't throw away your RAW file. (unless you are the type of person who always threw away negatives after having them printed)

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Sep 20, 2006 04:16 |  #4

René Damkot wrote in post #2011283 (external link)
Tif with LZW will give you the smallest file without 'lossy' compression. (LZW is lossless)
Jpg quality 12 is fine for a final file (say to get printed)

As Pete says: don't throw away your RAW file. (unless you are the type of person who always threw away negatives after having them printed)

What's a Photoshop RAW?

Photoshops version of RAW!

I wont be throwing the original i want to save a copy of the original after a few minor edits


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Sep 20, 2006 04:24 |  #5

Do you mean a DNG file?
AFAIK, PS doesn't save a RAW, it just saves an XMP 'sidecar' file with info about the settings used for RAW conversion...
If you want to do more editing (cloning, adjustment layers, whatever) TIF with LZW will give the smallest file size without loss...


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Sep 20, 2006 04:25 |  #6

If you just want to save the original after a few edits, then PSD format will be the best for you, it'll keep all your layers intact so you won't have to flatten the image before you save....


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Sep 20, 2006 04:28 |  #7

Pete-30D wrote in post #2011237 (external link)
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It really depends on what you want to do with the image after you've finished your workflow. In most cases, you'll just need to save as a jpg file. If you save with maximum quality, the file size will naturally shrink, but you won't lose any visual quality.

However, if you're doing a fair bit of Photoshop work using layers etc, then saving as PSD (Photoshop format) will be by far the best option as it will retain all your layers and bit-depth (RAW is 16-bit, jpg is 8-bit) and give you exactly what was in the RAW file.

Most people take a backup of their RAW file anyway.

Thanks for the welcome!

I take backups of the RAW's, and big edit projects I leave as psd's.

I'll give you an example of the situation where I'm unsure of the file type.

This morning I removed an unwanted Item (someone's hand) from the corner of a picture. I wanted to leave the original
RAW untouched but save the edited version (which had no layers etc because I managed to use the clone tool to remove the hand). I would like to save the edited version in a format which will allow future editing and printing as if it was a fresh RAW file, is psd looking favourite?

On the jpeg subject, I saved a RAW as a jpeg the other week, but noticed some loss in the colour. Would saving the jpeg at a higher setting prevent this?



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Sep 20, 2006 04:34 |  #8

The loss in colour would probably be caused by converting from 16-bit down to 8-bit. There's probably also an issue relating to colour-space as well (Adobe RBG v sRGB). It's not something I know a whole lot about as I tend to stay in sRGB the whole time.

I'm sure someone else will have a better answer though.

As for saving your interim stage, in my view, PSD would still give you the best quality image, but it's worth experimenting with the TIFF+LZW and seeing if you're happy with the results. Or just WinZip the PSD files.


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Sep 20, 2006 04:41 |  #9

Excellent replies everyone, thanks very much!

I think I'll stick with the psd and have a go at the tiff with lzw!

If someone could make some suggestions on the colour loss that would be great!

Pete; I have my colour space set to 1998 Adobe RGB and I always make sure my RAW plug-in is set to 8bit.


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Sep 20, 2006 04:56 |  #10

I save as PSD, without the composite layer because it only adds size (turn off maximise compatability).


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Sep 20, 2006 05:03 |  #11

'Some loss' in color'?
In most situations you'ld be hard pressed to see the difference between a AdobeRGB file and an sRGB one... The difference will be in very saturated colors, which are out of the sRGB gamut.
Did you save the jpg with color profile?
How is your Photoshop set up? Should be along these lines:


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Sep 20, 2006 05:36 |  #12

René, I'll check my settings when I get home. The colour loss is between Raw and jpeg both in 1998 Adobe RGB


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Sep 20, 2006 06:36 |  #13

Do check. Also, a screenshot might help.
Colors should be the same.
There is another thread about something similair. Keep an eye on that one as well ;)


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Sep 22, 2006 02:27 |  #14

Right It seems I'm not getting the problem with the colour loss any more! I've just reinstalled photoshop, I wonder if that had anything to do with it?

Anyway I thought I would post my colour settings anyway

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Sep 22, 2006 06:45 |  #15

Photoshop compatability mode can definitely be turned off, I have it turned off since I use bridge/CS2 exclusively when dealing with these types of files. I use PSD because I trust it, and I have no idea if TIFF can support things like adjustment layers, and I figure a PSD file will reliably save everything i've done to a file.


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