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Sep 21, 2006 18:58 |  #31
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This is a big load of crap. Why does Canon not bring out quantup leap upgrades? Because no one can touch what they already provide.

YOU may not shoot at high ISO but there are a LOT of people who do. And until these other companies quit with the pomp & circumstance and make sensors that work like Canons do, Canon won't have to do much. They provide a tried and true system that's been relied on for years, with customer service to match. That says a lot.

Oh and if Canon's so bad...why are you shooting a 1 Series?

That's mostly BS - Canon is better in the sports area, purely because of it's AF performance, but that's about it. In other genres of photography, it's pretty even. By your logic, you're saying that everyone that uses Nikon et al doesn't know what they're doing and has a crap camera.

As to noise, up to ISO 800 they're reasonably even from what I'm seeing. Furthermore, I expect it's common for most people shooting at higher ISOs to use a noise reduction application such as Neat Image or Noise Ninja to clean the noise up? Since they both seem to do a reasonably good job from what I've seen, arguing about noise is a bit moot, no? Nikon images are sharper out of the box, have you seen how many threads have been started recently about Canon cameras producing not so sharp images and requiring post production? If Canon is doing such a good job with its sensors, this shouldn't even be a topic that's coming up.

We did a model shoot in a studio a week or so ago for my digital photography course, and let's just say that Nikon's images (D70s, D200 and D70) looked just as bit as good as the images from the 350D and my 1D. Especially at higher ISOs. So I think you're exagerating on the noise issue my friend. True, Canon is better at higher ISOs, I'm not going to deny that, cos they are. But not by the huge leaps and bounds that you're trying to pen.

As to customer service, I waited 4 weeks for a basic service checkup on my 1D earlier this year, that's not an acceptable time frame in my books and I certainly don't consider it good service. Judging by what a lot of people post here, 4 weeks isn't a good turn around time. It seems that Australian customers get very lax support from Canon Australia (unless you're a CPS member of course). I don't appreciate Canon discriminating against me because I'm not a CPS member, especially when I've spent a fair amount of money, probably as much as most pros using CPS have. So much for service eh?

Why do I use a 1D? Because I've got X amount of money invested in Canon lenses and accessories. Sure, I can see them, and get a reasonable return on my investment, but I'm still losing money. Canon's film SLRs were better than the competitors, no questions asked. Their DSLRs efforts though, whilst good, aren't markedly better than their competitors imho. Sadly, we have a lot of Canon lovers (as is to be expected) and in their eyes, Canon simply cannot do anything wrong - EVER. That's a rather dangerous attitude to have. Canon do a lot of things right, but they're not perfect, far from it.

As to upgrades etc, true, no one is forcing me (or anyone else) to upgrade. Just imagine though if everyone didn't upgrade, but waited 3 or 4 years for these "quantum upgrades" to appear. Firstly, Canon wouldn't be doing them because these types of ugprades cost money for R&D. If they lose sales, R&D loses income. That means less features/upgrades etc. I'd be really interested to see DSLR sales, but I bet my bottom dollar that Canon's market share is slipping, and badly. Going from 70% to 45% (which is my guesstimate) sort of tells me that the competition is doing a better job than they used to, and that the competitor's cameras are good enough to stop people buying Canon products.

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Sep 21, 2006 19:11 |  #32
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Mark_Cohran wrote in post #2019089 (external link)
I'd hardly call my 5D and 1DMKIIN so-so cameras. :) I understand your point, but my point is that I'm not going to change just because another company brings out a camera that has different (and to me, unimportant) features than what I'm currently shooting. I have too much money, time and energy invested in my system to make it worth while. Besides, I think most of the this is purely talk about chasing after the latest and greatest......

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That's true Mark. In the end, the camera has to suit your needs. I'm not saying that the 5D and 1D Mark IIn are bad cameras, far from it. What I am arguing is that Canon are dragging their asses, and it's showing. You don't start losing market share unless you're doing either something wrong, or the competitors are doing a better job than you. My eyes tell me that pretty much every camera store that I'm seeing is having customers looking at and considering alternatives to Canon - Nikon and Pentax and Sony. My course that I'm doing at the moment is a good example. I'm the only Canon user. Out of 11 people. One girl has borrowed a friends 350D, so it's not hers, she didn't buy it and choose Canon. Another guy is using a D60 that I lent him out of kindness (he only had a cheapie Kodak digital compact P&S). Maybe the Australian market is different...

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Sep 21, 2006 19:23 |  #33

Well, one thing I do agree with everyone about is that competition is good for the consumer. If competition means we get better cameras and lenses cheaper I'm all for it, but I also understand, being in the corporate world myself, that the company has to make a reasonable return on their investment.

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Sep 21, 2006 19:26 |  #34
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Wilt wrote in post #2019130 (external link)
I find it 'interesting' in a twisted way, how photographers today now have come to expect revolutionary changes from camera manufacturers almost on a biannual basis (if not faster!). In the glory days of the SLR, cameras stuck around for a half decade before you saw substantial changes, and they had incremental changes as simple as converting from CdS cell meters to Silicon Blue cell meters in between the revolutions, and the world didn't bellyache about that rate of change. Now, if you don't introduce something revolutionary in EVERY model almost EVERY year, the world overlooks developments like dropping FF dSLR from an $8k major expense to a much smaller $3k expense, and bellyaches about the tiny increment from 20D to 30D!

I do agree with you Wilt, but sadly, that's the way the world is. The marketing/hype guys are to blame for this. People have been taught to expect new revolutionary things from new products by all of the marketing hype, you can't blame them. The old adage, "if you live by the sword, then you die by it" perfectly fits this scenario.

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Sep 21, 2006 19:55 |  #35

Lets face it...............anoth​er entry in the DSLR market.
Good timing and marketing
There always going to be new additions changes and addons in ANY commodity
Now let somebody/anybody go out and buy the camera.... post some shots...even at high ISO.
But in the end its a make no matter as the unit is price point driven unit and very probably has/does very good quality shots..maybe should have called it DK-1000:D
I am certain it will have a lot of new sales and pleased owners!!
Even I have perused the unit once or twice.
But no way am I backbenching my 5D full frame.
Costco Canada also did feature this Pentax with a mail in $100.00 off rebate.
I believe it had a lens included too.


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Sep 21, 2006 20:23 |  #36

Lets be realistic here. If a company that can not design and manufacture their own sensor and processor then they have no control of the quality of the image capture. What else can they do??? Buy technology like IS and dust removal??? Put a few strips of rubber/silicon seams on the camera and call it weather seal???

The bottom line is can the camera perform well as a camera and not a function of gimmicks??? Until the camera is field proven its just a company claim and nothing more.




  
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Sep 21, 2006 20:42 |  #37

There's 4 items keeping me committed to canon:
sigma 70-200
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and the digital rebel
150 bucks worth of flashcards

If I were starting over again, I would probably go with pentax. But for now, I don't have the time or the desire to change the systems. In the end it's all going to be very similar...

Not to mention that I have bought a split screen for the rebel.


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Sep 21, 2006 20:42 |  #38

In my film days I used Pentax. I still have 2 pentax SLRs and a number of K Mount manual lenses. I always liked the product but has anyone seen an image from this camera? I would like to see some at different ISOs. Also, it says it is 3 FPS but for how many continuous shots. I can't find full specs anywhere.

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Sep 21, 2006 20:44 |  #39

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In my film days I used Pentax. I still have 2 pentax SLRs and a number of K Mount manual lenses. I always liked the product but has anyone seen an image from this camera? I would like to see some at different ISOs. Also, it says it is 3 FPS but for how many continuous shots. I can't find full specs anywhere.

I find their whole lineup confusing. Every body has 6 megapixels, but the prices are different... and the specs seem to be the same.


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Sep 21, 2006 20:48 |  #40

Give Canon another year and they will offer the same thing in a better sensor. You can't beat Canon glass, stay where you are and wait it out.

If Pentax has a feature that FREEZES TIME, then I will consider them.



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Sep 21, 2006 21:00 |  #41

I am very tempted by the K100D as a travel camera. The K10D doesn't excite me as much though. I'll set out my reasons:
1. When I travel, I often travel to strange places where the electricity supply can vary from none to unreliable. Thus a camera that runs on AA batteries is very useful.
2. The Pentax cameras are small - as are the lenses.
3. They're not that expensive - try claiming on insurance for stuff "confiscated" by local officials!

Having said that... the Sony R1 is a pretty darned good travel photography camera.


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Sep 21, 2006 21:12 |  #42

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If Pentax has a feature that FREEZES TIME, then I will consider them.

they have it. the problem is that the photos don't move either


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Sep 21, 2006 21:15 |  #43

I'm really really considering the pentax k100d for the price factor. The only thing that will stop me from buying a pentax and going for probably a 350d is the wonderful and helpful people here on this message board!


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Sep 21, 2006 22:29 |  #44

It's all marketing!
Why would one company want to do what another company is already doing just because the technology exists? It's like Photoshop, there's usually 3 ways to do the same task in that program, which way do you prefer? There's a variety of ways to build a DSLR, build to suit a consumer/pro-customer segment that buys into that company's technology/philosophy. If clean high ISO shooting isn't important to you but you like the idea of in-camera IS and anti dust then you likely don't fit Canon's prime target customer profile. If you see investing and acquiring high quality lenses that are useable long into the future (given there's not a mount change) and expect to upgrade bodies more frequently than lenses you may better fit Canon's customer profile.

So much about the approach, direction, speed and attitude of a company is dependent on their R&D and marketing position. Having been in marketing for long enough I'd personally be interested in understanding Canon's marketing position, not opinions from folks here but a Canon document - I also know that unless I work for Canon or one of their agencies that is something I'll never get to see.


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Sep 21, 2006 23:22 |  #45

I was checking out a protype of that camera last weekend and it felt cheap, especially compared to my 20d. I wasn't impressed, although I tried to pretend I was when speaking to the Pentax rep


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