Software for shutter number?

Well if you are to buy an old body , how would you find out the exact shutter mileage? Sure repair centers have a way to find it out, but is there any 3rd party software that can be use to fine shutter activity?

Only for the 1D series cameras.

Mark

I found this one
LINK
that works perfectly for Nikon users giving the shutter number form EXIF of picture.
Now W H A T A B O U T W E C A N O N U S E R S ? Any software you know that can help???

you didnt seem to read the response you got.

this has been asked umpteen million times : You can only do it with a 1d series camera (and maybe one other old model i cant remember now)

So the simple answer is, there is no software - unless you have a shiny 1 series.

jiggling_john wrote in post #2124306
you didnt seem to read the response you got.

this has been asked umpteen million times : You can only do it with a 1d series camera (and maybe one other old model i cant remember now)

So the simple answer is, there is no software - unless you have a shiny 1 series.

Thanks for reply but I am sure someone shinner than me has already made a software for this purpose.

It seems easy to extract that data when camera is communicated to computer by usb wire if only you know which part of camera's RAM to read.

Nikon's numbers come off easy from every EXIF of image as long as they are not processed in anyway.

I was hopping some one know some thing more... and hard for me to believe it is not possible.

A lot of things are hard to believe but I'm sure you can manage it.

Canon has proprietary software that can read shutter count as part of the diagnostics. However, it's model-specific and virtually impossible to get unless you're an authorized service center. It requires activation/registratio​n and is locked to the specific computer. Noone else has managed to crack the non 1D series cameras.

A good cracker can and could do their stuff with the Canon software if they really wanted to. I personally think that something like this should be freely available to Canon consumers in all honesty.

Dave

dpastern wrote in post #2138148
A good cracker can and could do their stuff with the Canon software if they really wanted to. I personally think that something like this should be freely available to Canon consumers in all honesty.

Dave

First they'd have to get hold of a copy. As I said, it's very closely controlled. And it's different for each model. However advocating cracking or illegal distribution of software are not acceptable behaviour on POTN. Please remember that, regardless of your personal views on what "should" be.

Jon wrote in post #2138308
First they'd have to get hold of a copy. As I said, it's very closely controlled. And it's different for each model. However advocating cracking or illegal distribution of software are not acceptable behaviour on POTN. Please remember that, regardless of your personal views on what "should" be.

Yes, they'd have to get a copy etc, etc.

Furthermore, I wasn't advocating cracking, I was merely making a point that a competent cracker who really wanted to crack it probably could.

My 2nd sentence was purely my social outrage of something that is useful to Canon consumers not being available. This is one of the reasons why I detest closed source proprietary software. I recently had issues with Canon's EOS Utility software and wanted to completely remove it from my system. The Canon uninstaller does not do so, but leaves a myriad of elements behind in the Windows system files and registry. What gives Canon the right to leave things behind on my system when I've told it to explicitly remove said software? Furthermore, Canon blames Microsoft, and Microsoft blames Canon. Me, as the user gets stuffed around and my problem is still NOT fixed. If it was open source software I could probably figure out what was broken myself and get it all working again. Another reason why closed software is not that good imho.

Also - it is quite legal under the Copyright Act to reverse engineer and decompile software, irrespective of what the EULAs might say. No single EULA has stood up in a court of law I might add, reinforcing my comments. The DMCA (horrid act that it is) attempts to remove your rights under the Copyright Act at the behest of the big corporations and is what I consider unconstitutional.

I'm a FSF (Free Software Foundation) guy and a great fan of RMS (Richard Stallman). The sooner software is heavily legislated the better imho. Either that, or proprietary software dies like the Dinosaur that it is.

Dave

edit: I forgot to mention this, Jon, there has been several instances on P.O.T.N that I've seen posters referring to and encouraging using cracked versions of various software and on every occasion that I've seen it I've posted my thoughts that it isn't right and is illegal. I might prefer open source software, and be a FSF guy but I do not tolerate the usage of illegal software.

dternian;
What you say, makes complete sense.

Jon wrote in post #2137434
Canon has proprietary software that can read shutter count as part of the diagnostics. However, it's model-specific and virtually impossible to get unless you're an authorized service center. It requires activation/registratio​n and is locked to the specific computer. Noone else has managed to crack the non 1D series cameras.

Thanks Jon; This is kind of thing I was interested to learn.
Q - 1; Does Canon also encode the shutter number on EXIF of every picture in a non-visible way?
Q - 2; If I need to know my shutter number, can I take my camera to Canon's authorized dealer for such enquiry? Any idea how much this should cost me?

dpastern wrote in post #2138148
A good cracker can and could do their stuff with the Canon software if they really wanted to. I personally think that something like this should be freely available to Canon consumers in all honesty.

Dave

I have worked out what fields are used for this, however it is semi-encrypted somehow with the date and time, you can take a number of shots see the counter increment by one, then the next day it will jump up or down by a seemingly random number. Tried to figure it out - too hard basket though

Not sure if it'll cost you, probably will. This sort of thing shouldn't cost you a cent as far as I'm concerned and it should be publically and readily available to the public. Canon does this so that they can make more money. Corporate greed shouldn't interefere with good customer service imho.

Dave

samsen wrote in post #2143503
dternian;
What you say, makes complete sense.




Thanks Jon; This is kind of thing I was interested to learn.
Q - 1; Does Canon also encode the shutter number on EXIF of every picture in a non-visible way?
Q - 2; If I need to know my shutter number, can I take my camera to Canon's authorized dealer for such enquiry? Any idea how much this should cost me?

They include it in the 1-series EXIF. THere's a similar, but not identical, field in the "lesser" cameras which doesn't mark actual shutter firings, but only actual files recorded. There's a fairly arcane incremental system to it - I went through analyzing it something around a year or more ago but when I established that it didn't track shutter releases, only file numbers, I stopped bothering. I may have posted my findings here at the time. I can't remember.

Not a Canon Authorized Dealer, but a Canon Repair Facility (or authorized repair facility). Cost? If you go to someone other than Canon, it's their call. Canon may be willing to just shove it on the computer and tell you like they do free sensor cleanings, but I don't know. It's not really worth the bother IMO. External condition should give you a clue as to whether reported number of frames is anything close to accurate and whetehr the camera's been well-cared-for if it's not yours. If it's yours fron the get-go, why worry?

FlyingPete wrote in post #2143524
I have worked out what fields are used for this, however it is semi-encrypted somehow with the date and time, you can take a number of shots see the counter increment by one, then the next day it will jump up or down by a seemingly random number. Tried to figure it out - too hard basket though

Interesting. I'm not a programmer, so I can't help much. Most of the OSS guys wouldn't touch the software cos it's not Open Source.

Jon - I've just had another thought to my previous post - if what you say is correct, then ufraw and dcraw are both illegal and shady and shouldn't be used or recommended, as they've reverse engineered the RAW formats to allow interoperability with Linux and BSD systems (since Canon doesn't support GNU Linux). Nikon threatened the dcraw project but stood down on it I believe. Maybe because Nikon knew it didn't stand a chance in hell of winning any legal action

Dave