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Oct 15, 2006 11:43 |  #1

Many times I see threads about 'what focal length' and both the question and the reply are couched in non-specifics about the frame size for which the comment is made. Remember, FRAME SIZE DICTATES the context in which a given focal length will behave. To borrow from another thread this point: 28mm is not 'wide' when it is used on a APS-C format dSLR like 350 or 30D

'Normal' is typically defined by the diagonal measure of the film frame. A 'true normal' for 35mm film (or 5D and 1DsII) is 43mm! But the industry has long settled on the convention that 50mm (or thereabouts) is 'normal' for that size frame. On that frame, 35mm is kind of 'in between'...semi normal and semi wide angle. 28mm is generally considered a true 'wide' , and 24mm is 'very wide' and 20mm is 'super wide'. At the longish end of things, 70mm-100mm are 'short tele' and '135-200' are 'tele' and 300mm and longer are 'long tele' and 'super tele' by convention.

In the world of portraiture, the shooting distance from the subject defines the facial perspective that we generally find most pleasing and 'realistic'. The focal length for a given shooting distance defines the 'framing' of the person and how fully they fill the frame area. Convention has found that about
70-90mm is good for waist-up portraits,
90-110mm is good for head and shoulder portraits, and
120-150 is good for headshots (a modelling and acting type of shot for sending out to casting people). Of course, different photographers will tell you that THEY do not follow these conventions, but it is generally true that most professionals and amateurs in past decades with 35mm film have found these ranges to be valid ones -- until you discover your own style and preferences!

Reminder: All of the above statements are in the context of 35mm film cameras. For APS-C dSLR, divide the above by 1.6 in order to find the equivent for your camera. So 28-30mm would fall smack into the 'normal' range, 17mm is a 'wide' but is not 'very wide'. You need a 15mm to get into 'very wide' and a 12mm to get into 'super wide'.

So for portraiture for APS-C format camera, the numbers mentioned two paragraphs ago would translate to:
about 50-60mm is good for waist-up portraits,
60-70mm is good for head and shoulder portraits, and
80-90 is good for headshots (a modelling and acting type of shot for sending out to casting people).

So the next time YOU 'recommend' a particular focal length, it is important to state the frame of reference that YOU are making the statement in (APS-C or FF, for example) and also to take into consideration the camera that might be listed in the OP signature line. And equally important, if you are the OP member, tell us which camera you are asking about! With the advent of FF digital, and with novices having the financial ability to 'buy the best' regardless of their level of skill, we cannot assume APS-C format is what they are referring to, either!


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Oct 16, 2006 14:08 |  #2

Right...so let me ask you this...

For a FF 5D, if you had to choose lenses, what would you choose? I am debating this myself, given the current lenses I own. I don't care for 'low-light' situations, as I have a dedicated flash, should I ever come into a situation, where I need light.

So, given that I have no camera (yet) I was looking at a 5D. I like to shoot outdoors, macro, and 'nature' type shots. Never really jumped into shooting sports, etc...and I just like to take pictures as a hobby. Clears my mind.

My current set of lenses is in my sig. What would you recommend, as the next logical lens? Currently, if I were to choose the 5D, I would be looking for a lens that corresponds to something on the Fall '06 rebate list. Any ideas?

To me, the 24-70 makes no sense, and neither does the 24-105. I really would like something between 40-80 mm...and was thinking about a prime 50 1.4...but, reading so many negatives/positives makes me curious. I don't want to deal with a bad copy of that lense. A 50mm 1.2L would be nice...but don't know when it's going to be released, and at 1600 for that lense, it's a little much for me...at this time.

I have thought of a 15mm fisheye, but, that's a specialty lens...which I doubt I would use very much...but one never knows. I might have to add it to the arsenal one day.

I have thought about a 400mm 5.6L prime, as that might be OK...
I have thought about a 180mm L macro, as that would be OK as well...the 100mm just doesn't work, although I am sure it's a great lens.
A 16-35mm L would be great, but, then I would have little to no use for the 17-40, which I really like.

Sigma's/Tammy/etc. are not a viable option, because I could stand to save the money from the double rebate...even if I have to spend more, to get a rebate...

Thanks...nice read.


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Oct 16, 2006 15:14 |  #3

I'd either upgrade the 70-200 to the 2.8 IS version (or the f/4 IS version, if you have patience!), and maybe a 24-70L. The 180 macro would be very nice, and you may find yourself wanting to dabble in tilt/shift photography. a 24L TSE wouldn't be bad at all. You may even enjoy a 15mm fisheye lens.


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Oct 16, 2006 16:23 |  #4

Wilt - how can we say what you posted LOUDER so that everybody will hear it? I really get fried every time I see folks recommending lenses with no real consideration for the format. Typical is the recommendation of a 50mm lens for everybody's APS-C camera, and on and on......  :p


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Oct 16, 2006 16:37 |  #5

SkipD wrote in post #2128407 (external link)
Wilt - how can we say what you posted LOUDER so that everybody will hear it? I really get fried every time I see folks recommending lenses with no real consideration for the format. Typical is the recommendation of a 50mm lens for everybody's APS-C camera, and on and on...... :p

Oh, I guess you don't like the 105mm portrait lens suggested for everybody's APS-C camera either, or the 24mm 'wide angle' for everybody's APS-C ?? Neither do I!


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Oct 16, 2006 16:47 |  #6

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Right...so let me ask you this...

For a FF 5D, if you had to choose lenses, what would you choose? I am debating this myself, given the current lenses I own.

...Sigma's/Tammy/etc. are not a viable option, because I could stand to save the money from the double rebate...even if I have to spend more, to get a rebate.

I suggest a 105mm macro, the 24mm TSE for improving DOF in landscapes. I would not bother with the 50mm f/1.2 expense, nor would I bother with the 70-200 f/2.8IS (you don't do sports at night!). The 70-200 f/4IS would be worth considering, for the kind of photography you do

And doya own a good tripod and ballhead?

Your other comment reminds me of how much my wife saves me by going shopping at the sales! Lemmeesee....Buy 2 Canon lenses for $2200 and a 5D for $2800 in order to get $660 in double rebates (net $5440), rather than buying two Tamrons for $900 and a 5D for $2800 and no rebates (net $3700), "honey I saved $660!". Makes sense to me! :rolleyes:


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Oct 16, 2006 17:46 |  #7

Nice Wilt, added to the EF lens FAQ;
https://photography-on-the.net …php?p=2128677#p​ost2128677


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Oct 16, 2006 19:47 |  #8

-- The 105mm doesn't appeal, I would like to take advantage of the double rebates.
-- I already have a 70-200f4L and currently, the 2.8 isn't worth the upgrade.
-- I own a fairly decent tripod/ballhead -- nothing too crazy, but it can support 16 - 20 lbs, so, I have no reason for another.
--As for now...my considerations are leaning towards a 180mm L, 400mm prime, or maybe the 135L or 200L primes. It's my treat to me...and the wife is understanding...so, it's not about the money/resources.

I guess I can decide once the camera is here, as FF changes certain perspectives, as compared to a crop camera...which I have sold (20D). I would much rather have FF, than not...even if the supposed 'reach' of a crop camera is 'more.'

Thanks...lots of things make sense...just that one has to read between the lines.


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