I've been noticing something, 1 stop really isnt that much a difference. Yeah yeah I know when you need the little extra speed it is but I find even f2.8 to be rather slow using natural light sometimes. When shooting in daylight f4 is too fast in AV mode, where it shoots at 4000 so its all about need. I find a 16-35 f2.8L to be just too much money for landscapes because f2.8 would rarely if ever be good for landscapes or other things wide, even night time. JMO though others like it just fine but for me it isnt for me. (and I could buy one, I just dont need one)


Hope it'll be good. I've been reading up and practicing today with the 85. It's a nice little lens 

