Ultra Wide Angle 12-24

Plus, you're getting this lens to be a wideangle - so why not go as wide as you can? You're not getting it just to link smoothly with your above focal range.

Billginthekeys wrote in post #2205847
it works in percentages. mind u my calculations could be completely wrong. but its something like 10mm is about 20% wider than 12mm. whereas 22 would be only less than 10% longer than 24. basically its an invisible gap, and you are never going to need to fill it.

Yeah, I see. I still don't know which one is best suited to me, but the Sigma build does look like it would be suited for me the best as the Tokina looks millitary rugged-like. I'm not about to buy for at the minimum another few weeks so it doesnt matter.

I have had the Canon 10-22mm and I now have the Toki 12-24mm.

To me they are worlds apart. The canon is built like a consumer lens - it feels lightweight and not especially durable. Optical performance is OK, but having had a 17-40L I was not satisfied with the results from the 10-22mm. I sold it earlier this year.

A few months ago I picked up the Toki 12-24. This is a world of difference. Build quality is much more like my 17-40L was and the optical performance is really good too. I found it a much nicer lens to use.
Plus it is a constant F4 as agains the variable on the Canon and F5.6 on the Sigma.

RichardtheSane wrote in post #2206091
I have had the Canon 10-22mm and I now have the Toki 12-24mm.

To me they are worlds apart. The canon is built like a consumer lens - it feels lightweight and not especially durable. Optical performance is OK, but having had a 17-40L I was not satisfied with the results from the 10-22mm. I sold it earlier this year.

A few months ago I picked up the Toki 12-24. This is a world of difference. Build quality is much more like my 17-40L was and the optical performance is really good too. I found it a much nicer lens to use.
Plus it is a constant F4 as agains the variable on the Canon and F5.6 on the Sigma.

Hm, that's good to hear. Did you miss the 2mm on the wide end?

Man, this seems to be one of those decisions everyone is giving me a different opinion, and I hvaen't seen an compraison of all 3 with quantitative data and sample photos showing sharpness and the like. The sigma looks interesting too, although it only covers 10mm vs the 12mm the Canon and Tokina cover (although it seems that the 2-4mm on the longer end matters less.)

ONLY covers 10mm? I think you're mixed up. 10mm covers a 102.4 degree field of view. That's going to be substiantially wider than a 12mm lens.

angryhampster wrote in post #2206541
ONLY covers 10mm? I think you're mixed up. 10mm covers a 102.4 degree field of view. That's going to be substiantially wider than a 12mm lens.

i beleive he is referencing the total mm change in the zoom. the sigma is 10-20 and the canon is 10-22, ect.

Billginthekeys wrote in post #2206576
i beleive he is referencing the total mm change in the zoom. the sigma is 10-20 and the canon is 10-22, ect.

Yup, correct me if I'm wrong but
Canon 10-22 = 12 mm (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,​17,18,19,20,21,22)
Tokina 12-24 = 12mm (12,13,14,15,16,17,18,​19,20,21,22,23,24)
Sigma 10-20 = 10mm (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,​17,18,19,20)

Get the Tokina, you'll like it. If you don't like it, sell it and get the Sigma, then you'll like it

I found that the Tokina is pretty wide on my 20D. As said above, the build and the color are great. I don't think you can go wrong with either.

BTW, do you really need a WA lens? I only used my Tokina 3-4 times total and am thinking of selling it to fund other lenses

4x4rock wrote in post #2207066
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BTW, do you really need a WA lens? I only used my Tokina 3-4 times total and am thinking of selling it to fund other lenses

I've had my Toki since May, and I agree, it's certainly not my "workhorse" lens. In fact, other than a few photos of my home interior and test shots, I've probably only used it less than a dozen times.

I snapped this one just to give you an idea of the angle of view. The distance from the right end of the island to the window at the left of the photo is 24 feet/7.3 meters. The distance from the front of the lens to the window in the center of the frame is 33 feet/10 meters.

By the way, if you look closely at the chairs near the window at the left, moderate CA is evident.

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runninmann wrote in post #2207427
I've had my Toki since May, and I agree, it's certainly not my "workhorse" lens. In fact, other than a few photos of my home interior and test shots, I've probably only used it less than a dozen times.

I snapped this one just to give you an idea of the angle of view. The distance from the right end of the island to the window at the left of the photo is 24 feet/7.3 meters. The distance from the front of the lens to the window in the center of the frame is 33 feet/10 meters.

By the way, if you look closely at the chairs near the window at the left, moderate CA is evident.

I want to use it for taking weird approaches to things, getting down low, doing landscape shots (wish I had it when I went to the Cn tower, of course it wouldn't matter as I forgot my cf card) and that type of stuff.

Don't see any CA, perhaps the photo is just downsized too much though? BTW, you have a beautiful kitchen .

Billginthekeys wrote in post #2206576
i beleive he is referencing the total mm change in the zoom. the sigma is 10-20 and the canon is 10-22, ect.

My bad

Jagwire, if you're into automotive photography, having a UWA lens is a lot of fun. Pans are still possible, too.

Unless you're shooting against a really bright background then CA will show up. I try to avoid those situations and shoot at night

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JaGWiRE wrote in post #2207550
I want to use it for taking weird approaches to things, getting down low, doing landscape shots (wish I had it when I went to the Cn tower, of course it wouldn't matter as I forgot my cf card) and that type of stuff.

Don't see any CA, perhaps the photo is just downsized too much though? BTW, you have a beautiful kitchen .

Thanks,

JaGWiRE wrote in post #2204076
Sorry, I searched quite a bit before, but didn't see a comparison. Perhaps you remember the title of the thread or something that could help me search for it?

BTW, it looks like I'll be getting the Sigma 24-70. For some reason as much as I'de prefer 12-24 to continue the focal length I feel the Sigma builld is less millitray like and I should stick with sigma for that combo. What do you guys think? If I have one Sigma lens (24-70) should I get another Sigma to cover the wider part that it isn't covering? I have a 70-200 F4/L for my longer range.

Huh, I found them. Here they are:

Tokina thread: http://www.photography​-on-the.net …tokina+12-24+sample+shots

Canon thread: http://www.photography​-on-the.net …t=canon+10-22+sample+pics

Ken Rockwell (yeah, I know) has this comparison: http://www.kenrockwell​.com …wide-zooms/comparison.htm Though I obviously didn't agree with him considering my purchase choice.

claudermilk wrote in post #2208339
Huh, I found them. Here they are:

Tokina thread: http://www.photography​-on-the.net …tokina+12-24+sample+shots

Canon thread: http://www.photography​-on-the.net …t=canon+10-22+sample+pics

Ken Rockwell (yeah, I know) has this comparison: http://www.kenrockwell​.com …wide-zooms/comparison.htm Though I obviously didn't agree with him considering my purchase choice.

Thanks, I'll take a look in a few minutes.