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Use of DOF preview then removing lens - any chance of damaging aperture blades?

 
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Oct 31, 2006 07:16 |  #1

As the title says... I just found out today from another thread (50mm 1.8 pics one) that you can take the lens off and shoot through it backwards... was very excited, shot off a few and had a lot of fun (I want a macro lens even more now) after holding down the DOF preview and removing the lens to get some sort of DOF through the lens.

How are the aperture blades held in place there? Will anything be straining or are they quite happy to sit there off the camera and power in whatever position?


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Oct 31, 2006 07:21 |  #2

Actually you can - press the DOF preview button and disconnect the lens while it's held down. They stay where you put them.


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Oct 31, 2006 07:22 |  #3

I deleted my post because I realized I was incorrect! :)


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Oct 31, 2006 07:26 |  #4

Hehe. I didn't know you could do that before about an hour ago either :p


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Oct 31, 2006 07:27 |  #5

I was kinda going based on the fact that the aperture stays open all the time except the instant the pic is taken. I was assuming it would then go back to wide open without being connected to a camera..


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Oct 31, 2006 07:29 |  #6

Yeah, that's what I thought - I figured it needed power to stay at anything other than wide open, it was kind of a surprise to find that it stayed as it is. Hence the thought that it might not be too good for it... No real basis beyond that for the thought but I figured it was worth asking in case someone had a good explanation/answer.


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Oct 31, 2006 07:41 |  #7

I dunno but I was playing a few mins ago. I never got into macro and don't think I would as far as bugs and such are concerned...but it's fun anyway!


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Oct 31, 2006 09:08 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #8

My guess is that on EF lenses there is an electromotor which closes and opens aperture blades (not spring or something like that because they need power to open and close) and I think that leaving them closed will not cause any harm. However, it's just my opinion 8)


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Oct 31, 2006 10:02 |  #9

Jim G wrote in post #2194798 (external link)
As the title says... I just found out today from another thread (50mm 1.8 pics one) that you can take the lens off and shoot through it backwards...

how is that possible?


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Oct 31, 2006 10:07 |  #10

Great tip! I would not have discovered that. Thanks.


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Oct 31, 2006 10:16 |  #11

ChrisBlaze wrote in post #2195393 (external link)
how is that possible?

If you're curious, just hold the lens up to the camera, being sure not to scratch the front element on anything. You'll see that the image is greatly magnified. Reversed lenses function as cheap macros. You can buy reversing rings to mount reversed lenses directly to the lens mount or to another lens.

The challenge with using a reversed Canon lens on Canon EOS cameras is that there is no easy way to adjust the aperture. JimG appears to have discovered a way to adjust the aperture, although the method is a bit cumbersome. One is probably better off purchasing a manual focus lens with manual aperture control.


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Oct 31, 2006 10:19 |  #12

the aperture is controlled by an electromagnetic servo... so adjust the aperture to where you want it, hit the button, disconnect power - the magnets go dead and the aperture stay where its at.

How did the photo's come out? I'm not sure if you read my posts about this, but I've been doing it for some time now. There are nice metal EF mount to 52mm thread adapters on ebay for 11 bucks shipped. You can also get a 58mm to 52mm coupler to attach a lens on the end of another. I haven't done that yet though....


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Oct 31, 2006 18:38 |  #13

I can't claim to have discovered the technique, I pinched it off that other thread I mentioned earlier...

Bad example of what it can do as it was underexposed by about four stops or more and pushed up three in post-processing: (first go at macro so it's not exactly a good example of what one could do... this watch is about 18-19mm wide)

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I was fiddling in a dark room, this is my nurse's watch.. metering is all over the shop with this technique, I should really meter through the lens then put the camera in manual while it's off. I'd be interested in getting a mount to attach one lens to the other and getting me a nifty fifty again to whack on the back and not worry about the rear element of... or maybe a reversed lens hood..

Anyway, that photo only turned out okay but I'm sure with some more lighting and proper exposure I could get some quite good results of this, the other shots that I did that aren't uploaded are really quite sharp though the DOF is ridiculously thin. :)


Thanks for the replies too, guys, it sounds like it's not going to be damaging anything...

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Oct 31, 2006 21:03 |  #14

naw... the camera still meters the shot, but you have to be set in manual mode. Just hold the shutter half way down and adjust using the meter bar. It just takes a couple attempts to get dialed in.... use the histogram to verity exposure.

first try using the meter bar and the 35mm f/2 lens reversed

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Nov 01, 2006 18:22 |  #15

I found another solution. Look at
https://photography-on-the.net …ead.php?p=56931​1#poststop
You can do it with some older Canon lenses, too - they should be manual, so you can set the aperture.


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