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Nov 07, 2006 13:32 |  #31

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If that's the case then that puts the manufacturers at odds with FAA regulations.

Not exactly, the E911 features are polled, that is that they do not go active until someone sends a message on the paging channel which will wake up the phone and cause it to respond with the location data on the access channel. This is real handy if something like a building falls on you and rescuers are looking for you, but as with most technology that increases out safety, it can just as easily be used for not so good reasons.

The latest thing in the mobile industry may soon be to sell your location data to retailers. The law on this is real fuzzy. A good example I recently heard is your mobile provider sees that your usual daily trips to Starbucks has decreased and sells this data to Dunkin Doughnuts as a potential dissatisfied coffee drinker prime for maybe a coupon enticement. Another real example is that here in Chicago, the snow plow drivers threatened to walk off of the job because their new phones were location capable and the snow plowing management could tell if you were loafing. Loafing in Chicago by city workers is a right, not a privilege. Some fancy negotiations with the unions ironed everything out but face it, we are being watched.


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Nov 07, 2006 13:36 |  #32

Those will work great. Anything that will interfere with the RF path. We do all of out mobile testing with the mobile in an isolation cage, basically a big room with copper screen walls and doors just because there is so much RF out there that it becomes difficult to work with all of the noise. But hey, foil works just as good.:)


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Nov 07, 2006 13:44 |  #33

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Quickly everyone, Iv prepared these special tin foil hats, its very important that we all wear them...............

My entire house is covered in it and my camera


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Nov 07, 2006 13:59 |  #34

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And in Atlanta, GA they are using the data to produce traffic reports:

http:http://www.usatod​ay.com/tech/wireless/p​hones/2006-11-06-tracking-traffic_x.htm// (external link)

Two companies propose to use the movement data from cell phones to detect traffic jams.

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yea, "traffic jams" sure theyed use them for speeding tickets aswell :rolleyes:


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Nov 07, 2006 14:06 |  #35

I don't know about anybody else, but I feel a bit stupid driving around with a tinfoil hat, and people with afros might have a bit of a hard time

...but this gives me an idea - http://www.normsradio.​com …ges/articles/Ca​rKiss1.jpg (external link)

wrap the whole car in tinfoil :)

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Nov 07, 2006 14:11 |  #36

Moppie wrote in post #2225290 (external link)
Quickly everyone, Iv prepared these special tin foil hats, its very important that we all wear them...............

Since the biggest of Big Brothers right now is MicroShaft, and not the US G.. it is important that we not only wear or tin foil hats,. but we must also change or OS...

Run genuine TinFoil Hat Linux © to beat Big Bill at the game ;)


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Nov 07, 2006 14:27 |  #37

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... and people with afros might have a bit of a hard time

Ya might end up looking like a giant Jiffy-pop:lol:

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #2230431 (external link)
Since the biggest of Big Brothers right now is MicroShaft, and not the US G.. it is important that we not only wear or tin foil hats,. but we must also change or OS...

Run genuine TinFoil Hat Linux © to beat Big Bill at the game ;)

Boy, if the game companies would just start porting their stuff over to Linux, I am so there.


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Nov 07, 2006 14:29 |  #38

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #2230431 (external link)
Run genuine TinFoil Hat Linux © to beat Big Bill at the game ;)


Hmmmmmm :evil: :evil:

Im sorry, but i don't remember lisencing the TinFoil Hat name to anyone :rolleyes:
Stop useing it immediatly, or face the wrath of my huge legal team.
Either that or surrender as we buy you out, take away all creative control and intergrate your user friendly bit of software into our gaint greedy emprire.

Tinfoil hat piracy is a major concern.
I can see only one solution to this, every user must sign a user agreement before the tinfoil hat will work, covering correct and legal useage. Of course to ensure this happens the agreement will contain small print allowing us to track the useage patterns of all tinfoil hats. This will not only allow us to control piracy, but also build a better product in the next tinfoil hat version.



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Nov 07, 2006 14:35 |  #39

Moppie wrote in post #2230518 (external link)
Hmmmmmm :evil: :evil:

Im sorry, but i don't remember lisencing the TinFoil Hat name to anyone :rolleyes:
Stop useing it immediatly, or face the wrath of my huge legal team.
Either that or surrender as we buy you out, take away all creative control and intergrate your user friendly bit of software into our gaint greedy emprire.

Tinfoil hat piracy is a major concern.
I can see only one solution to this, every user must sign a user agreement before the tinfoil hat will work, covering correct and legal useage. Of course to ensure this happens the agreement will contain small print allowing us to track the useage patterns of all tinfoil hats. This will not only allow us to control piracy, but also build a better product in the next tinfoil hat version.

I'll have you know...I currently hold all the rights to the Tinfoil Hat...you and your company are directed to cease and desist immediately. Continued infringement on your part will result in swift and severe legal action. Thank you very much.:evil:


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Nov 07, 2006 14:40 |  #40

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I'll have you know...I currently hold all the rights to the Tinfoil Hat...you and your company are directed to cease and desist immediately. Continued infringement on your part will result in swift and severe legal action. Thank you very much.:evil:

Im afraid your wrong.
Our tinfoil hat idea is total unique, any resemblance to yours is purly conicidence.
And, since our idea currently dominates 90% of the market its clear that you are simply bringing up these false accusations out of jelousy.
Version 3.1 of the Tinfoil hat has been discontinued anyway, the new version Tinfoil Hat 2006 uses a total different architecture, which we have secured our own patents for.



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Nov 07, 2006 15:24 |  #41

Woolburr wrote in post #2230551 (external link)
I'll have you know...I currently hold all the rights to the Tinfoil Hat...you and your company are directed to cease and desist immediately.

Moppie wrote in post #2230584 (external link)
Im afraid your wrong.
Our tinfoil hat idea is total unique, any resemblance to yours is purly conicidence.
And, since our idea currently dominates 90% of the market its clear that you are simply bringing up these false accusations out of jelousy.

Woolburr and Moppie are simply tools of big business and thus capitalists. Also, tin foil has been obsolete for almost a century ago, so, in a truly libertarian gesture and a proponent of an open end free society, I grant all the right and privilege to use “the aluminum foil hat” Throw off the shackles of big business and join the new revolution. Aluminum foil hats for the people.:D


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Nov 07, 2006 15:37 |  #42

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Have you ever tried to load or print a photo with some type of US currency in Adobe photoshop? or Paint shop Pro? Can't do it...

http://slashdot.org …es/04/01/08/011​1228.shtml (external link)

I loaded these into CS and CS2 fine,

EDIT: I removed the images of the USD Currency, just in case.


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Nov 07, 2006 15:44 |  #43

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I loaded these into CS and CS2 fine,

Quick, put on your aluminum foil hat. This has obviously been acquired thought dubious means and the powers that be are decoding the meta-data embedded within the photo as we speak. Don’t answer that knock on your door.


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Nov 07, 2006 16:16 |  #44

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I loaded these into CS and CS2 fine,


you better take those off. last time there was a currency thread it got closed. no currency pictures allowed, forum policy.


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Nov 07, 2006 17:07 |  #45

gjl711 wrote in post #2230801 (external link)
Woolburr and Moppie are simply tools of big business and thus capitalists. Also, tin foil has been obsolete for almost a century ago, so, in a truly libertarian gesture and a proponent of an open end free society, I grant all the right and privilege to use “the aluminum foil hat” Throw off the shackles of big business and join the new revolution. Aluminum foil hats for the people.:D

Open Source Aluminum Skull Cap! Join the revolution in a totally new style! Contribute to many and have the advantage of wide input into defining your design. No ownership of style!

Please note that any use of Open Source Aluminum Skull Cap without remitting license fees to the original designer will be met with expensive lawsuits!

Seriously though, your ablity to limit your data from becoming public will only slow down the results.

I do suggest that you disable the GPS locator on your cell, it will limit the ability of the lesser informed to locate you. The phone will still send location data on 911 calls.

I would like to be the person who set the lawsuit for invasion of privacy when I find that my phone gave my location without my knowledge or permission. I work in the industry as well, and the paging channel is disabled when the phone is off. Canada is a country that does believe in personal provacy, and rates highly in all reports that checks this.

Hear that, Bell and Samsung?


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