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Nov 06, 2006 22:54 |  #1

i was lucky enough to be able to get into the lg action sports world championships in dallas several weeks ago, and it was incredible! seeing even one star skater or bmx'er going big is amazing, but this event was stacked. enjoy!

here are a few from the bmx street prelims:

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and for a bonus, here's jimmy maguire busting out a nice cordova during the mx freestyle demo. this was really why i went, but as it was just a demo, there were only a couple riders, and the shooting conditions were challenging.

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Nov 06, 2006 22:59 |  #2

here's a few of my faves from the bmx vert finals.

jay eggleston going huge...

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koji kraft sailing...

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one of the smoothest guys out there, 35 year-old jimmie walker laying it out....

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and kevin robinson, one of the only guys doing the 900. this isn't really the best photo, but it shows some good action. this particular one was shot without a flash.

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Nov 07, 2006 08:12 as a reply to  @ barP's post |  #3

Great opportunity for some awesome action, but all the crops are way to tight!!!


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Nov 07, 2006 09:23 as a reply to  @ leaveit's post |  #4

now that's an interesting comment, and i'm interested in why you say that. the truth is that most of these have minimal cropping, and the one of jimmie walker isn't cropped at all.

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Nov 07, 2006 12:28 |  #5

Thats because when you just see the person, and nothing else you kind of lose interest. They are great shots and your timging is perfect. I think it's just because maybe you were using a zoon lense? And maybe you were far away? Looks like the lighting was difficult too.


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Nov 07, 2006 13:46 as a reply to  @ srn_photo's post |  #6

right on. this cropping thing is always an interesting phenomenon when it comes to sports shots, and in particular with motocross and ramp sports. i see a lot of commentary about having a reference point on the ground. in general, people apparently like to see the entire scene so they can see how high the rider is.

that's interesting, to be sure, but i personally like to see things like the rider's form, the look of intense concentration on their face, veins bulging, etc. so, yes i was using a zoom, and yes the lighting conditions were tough, but these crops/shots represent what i was after in terms of capturing the action. in other words, my subject was the riders themselves and what they were doing, not how high they were flying.

i think it would be interesting to see what views are held by pros who make a living selling shots like these (not me), the general population, and riders (me). i predict all would have different answers.

thanks for taking time to look!

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Nov 07, 2006 13:51 as a reply to  @ barP's post |  #7

:lol:

now that i look at your flikr page, srn, i see you ARE a rider. there's some good stuff in your album!

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Nov 08, 2006 01:47 |  #8

Thank you sir. I love bmx, and for what it is. I don't know who i'd be without it. I know that sounds dumb but you know lol.

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=236547

There is some more of my stuff. I love bmx shots at night!


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Nov 08, 2006 08:09 |  #9

barP wrote in post #2229308 (external link)
now that's an interesting comment, and i'm interested in why you say that. the truth is that most of these have minimal cropping, and the one of jimmie walker isn't cropped at all.

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Hey, in no way was i trying to put ur shots down. I just personally like reference points. Ur shots are fine, no doubt, but i would have taken them differently. You post up here to get comments, and i gave mine...sorry if it was a little lacking detail. I tried to explain myself in your other post, making comments about keeping shots either really tight to get good face detail and so on...OR keeping a crop wide with reference points in a shots so the action is fully appreciated. For some shots i guess crops such as your work. Each shot needs to be decided on its own merits...so i guess there is no hard-and-fast rule.
Just my 2 cents.
And the lighting looked like a pain in the butt...so good job with catching the action.


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Nov 08, 2006 09:03 as a reply to  @ leaveit's post |  #10

no worries, mate - i hope i didn't sound defensive. i really do want to hear other points of view, because i'm just a wee noob!

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Nov 08, 2006 21:49 as a reply to  @ barP's post |  #11

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ok, NOW it's on, mr. leaveit!! :)

you harshed me for my lg action sports crops being too tight because all i show is air. now you tell mr. jimbob to "try and go for a wider crop"! what do you want....shots from a mile away?? :rolleyes:

i'm just sayin', bro....maybe it's the way you say it, as if you know the rules and you're handing out advice. i've looked at your stuff, and you know what you're doing with the camera, but hey, there ARE no rules!

so, here's MY suggestion...next time try and go for a little more tact, like this:

"sweet shots, man. i like a wider crop, myself, but you did a great job of capturing the action."

oh, and for the record, jimbob, i think your crops are fine! :lol:

peace, out.

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Oh dear...i dont wanna start a POTN thread war!
To start off...i thing i was quite clear in my post on ur lg sports thread that i "personally" like wider crops. And i totally agree with you that there are no REAL rules, just depends what suits the shot and what you like...and i did say that "there are no hard-and-fast rules", so u cant bring me up on that.
Plus, i would like you to show me a post iv made that outright criticised anothers shot. I almost always start off with a "well done" or "great shots". Even in regards to mr. jimbob's shots, i did start of with "No 3 is awesome. The rest are good also." - isnt that so?? And with ur lg sports thread i did say that the shots were too tight "in my oppinion", but that "ur shots are fine, no doubt".
I really try and make a positive comment on everyones work because even though it may not appeal to me so much, i respect that they took the time and effort to take the shots, and everyone deserves a 'well done' at least for that (this is not to say that urs or mr. jimbobs shots are bad - cos they are GOOD). But if i feel that some shots could be bettered (according to my perspective), i will say whats on my mind (and try and be polite and appreciative about it) because this forum is all about sharing thoughts and so on so we can learn and take away from each other what we want. No one is forced to take advice, and i do try and be as friendly as possible.
So i appologise to you and mr. jimbob for seeming rude or harsh perhaps, even for seeming like im setting some rules. I just give my 2 cents, and then anyone is welcome to share my thoughts if they like. Thats the way it goes.

What i ment by a wider crop is something like this...
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=214977
This kind of shot is my style. I skated for about 6 years solidly myself, had heaps of contact with skate photography and skate magazines in that time, and so iv developed my preferences. I still skate on and off now, and still greatly appreciate skate photography, and know that personal style is half of a great shot.

And... to mr. jimbob...the more i look at ur shots, the more i like them. The crops arent as tight as i first labled them, but i still, personally, would have gone for something a little wider on some of the shots.

Hope that clearls all this mess up fellas...;)


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Nov 09, 2006 01:07 |  #12

My comment is short: I liked the shots! i felt you did a great job for the conditions (lighting, positioning....) I haven't attempted any major action shots like these yet


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Nov 09, 2006 09:56 as a reply to  @ ABrownPhoto's post |  #13

leaveit, no thread wars here! that's for that OTHER website. ;)

i am seriously, seriously not bent out of shape - that's a whole different type of post, so no worries.

my only real point with that was, on the internet, email, etc. all you have going for you is how well you communicate in writing. between different cultures, different styles, ages, abilities to spell, blah, blah, blah, there are just lots of ways to come across wrong, and we should all be careful. i think, just like with business communication, the right thing to do is ask yourself before you hit "send", "is this the most effective, polite, and tactful way to say what's on my mind?" or even to ask yourself, "do i even need to say this at all?"

an example...there's a guy on here who, almost without fail, always posts the exact same criticism of dirtbike shots. thread after thread, he says (not just to me) "you need to slow your shutter speed down because the wheels aren't blurry enough." the fact that he does it so often tells me he thinks he's right. he's not, but neither am i or any of the other people who disagree with him. what's irritating is that in a forum that's intrinscly about art, he's trying to hand out rules and establish himself as an authority. it grinds me. if he were simon cudby or chris tedesco, i might listen, but....he doesn't have that kind of cred. most of us don't.

o well. what can i say? he has a right to think it and to say it, but i have a right to say he shouldn't say it.

and of course, i'm right ALL the time. :rolleyes:

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Nov 09, 2006 09:57 |  #14

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My comment is short: I liked the shots! i felt you did a great job for the conditions (lighting, positioning....) I haven't attempted any major action shots like these yet

thanks, skweek. i appreciate that!

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Nov 09, 2006 18:59 |  #15

barP wrote in post #2239148 (external link)
leaveit, no thread wars here! that's for that OTHER website. ;)

i am seriously, seriously not bent out of shape - that's a whole different type of post, so no worries.

my only real point with that was, on the internet, email, etc. all you have going for you is how well you communicate in writing. between different cultures, different styles, ages, abilities to spell, blah, blah, blah, there are just lots of ways to come across wrong, and we should all be careful. i think, just like with business communication, the right thing to do is ask yourself before you hit "send", "is this the most effective, polite, and tactful way to say what's on my mind?" or even to ask yourself, "do i even need to say this at all?"

an example...there's a guy on here who, almost without fail, always posts the exact same criticism of dirtbike shots. thread after thread, he says (not just to me) "you need to slow your shutter speed down because the wheels aren't blurry enough." the fact that he does it so often tells me he thinks he's right. he's not, but neither am i or any of the other people who disagree with him. what's irritating is that in a forum that's intrinscly about art, he's trying to hand out rules and establish himself as an authority. it grinds me. if he were simon cudby or chris tedesco, i might listen, but....he doesn't have that kind of cred. most of us don't.

o well. what can i say? he has a right to think it and to say it, but i have a right to say he shouldn't say it.

and of course, i'm right ALL the time. :rolleyes:

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LOL...."OTHER" huh...would you like to spill some goss?? :p
BarP, i take your point completely! Communication is so very important in all lines of work and play. I take your point on the 'rules' style of posting too. I may have come across like the 'guy' in ur example (NOT GOOD). Its a good point u made. Appreciated. Plus, I wasn’t bent out of shape either, so its all cool (well maybe a lil defensive because u often cant tell the mood of a fellow poster on words alone - moods and thought tones can be misjudged, and i wasn’t sure how serious u were). But its all good. At least we are sensible about it all...;)


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