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Nov 13, 2006 03:20 |  #31

For the number of ducks that I see hanging upside down (not by free will of course) in the many restaurants dotting this city, I just dont see the original product!! Where did they come from?

BTW, a technical question - is a dead duck considered on par with a live duck as far this section goes ;)


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Nov 13, 2006 05:31 |  #32

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Yup,l those lucky shooters are all over the Internet. I dunno how our Aussie shooter buddy Wayne gets any of his shots. Lucky guy too eh? Note the use of the term 'shooter', i.e. someone skilled in the craft of photography.

Why do you want IS when you are shooting almost exclusively from a beanbag in a vehicle on safari? Context son ... so important. Fit for purpose not fit for bragging. Sure the 100-400mm will do the job ... to 400mm :rolleyes: and if you want a lb of Namibian dust crudding uop your sensor :lol: :lol: Good on a hot day tho' that pump action will keep us all cool :p

Laddie, let's try to be less coloquial and more analytical.:D
Talking about the Birdman from Oz is akin to addressing an exception that asserts the rule.

First and foremost, all of his bigmah shots which I remember were taken in bright Ausie sun. Sari may not have that luxury during her trip, decidedly much less so upon her return.

Second, he appears to be well physically suited to handling a very heavy lens...besides he's been perfecting that skill for a long time. Also, it may well be that the lad owns a sharper than usual lens copy.

Shooting exclusively from a beanbag ? I'd say that should limit the lens utility/versatility as well, compared to an IS lens.

Lastly, if upon extension the bigmah does not take air from the ambient directly, where else does she suck it from ? The camera ? Perhaps you are implying that Sigma makes such superior US military grade seals that the bigma just holds vacum.....like a vehicle shock absorber ?..Or perhaps that she is provisioned with singularly effective dust filtration seals ? Not likely, I say.


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Nov 13, 2006 06:26 |  #33

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For the number of ducks that I see hanging upside down (not by free will of course) in the many restaurants dotting this city, I just dont see the original product!! Where did they come from?

BTW, a technical question - is a dead duck considered on par with a live duck as far this section goes ;)

I shall try to answer your penetrating question by positing an oblique circumstance from your apparently tortured childhood: have you been told about stork deliveries ? (A hint: that has nothing to do with UPS and browntrucking).


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Nov 13, 2006 10:20 |  #34

a little debate all for me...;) .. well gentlemen the two choices are the 100-400 and the bigma... I have almost a year to peruse POTN wander through websites, attempt store visitis and in general play around with the idea... So far my issues with the Bigma are a little shallow but...

it doesn't have a constant app... I know, I know.. but my luck with those lenses hasn't been that great notice two of them up for sale right now..

Sigma build, speaking in generalities isn't up to Canon and dare I say it.. I like Tamron's more..

as for dust it's Africa.. there is going to be dust. we are all going to be rolling up car windows as tight as we can, turning off the a.c. to clean up our sensors.. hopefully not more than once a day which is my habit anyway..

I wouldn't use Bigma all day everyday.. despite the reach of it I also have a few other lenses in my bag that will get use..

The 100-400.. quite a bit shorter than Bigma.. But, there's always the crop quality of this one vs. Bigma.. if it's the quality promised as long as I have focus I can do a bit of extra zooming PP.. which doesn't bug me too much.. It is going to be a better quality lens than Bigma... Ofcourse it is.. and considering that africa won't be happening twice I suppose i'm leaning towards it.. Not to mention the resale value of L class vs. third party.. But, bigma is hard to find used and seems to cost about the same amount regardless of where you look... But, I have a lot more research and hunting to do... Ever see a woman buy a purse at the labor Day sale in Macy's?... that ain't nothing to a woman trying to pick a piece of glass for a once in a lifetime trip across the world...;) ;)

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Nov 13, 2006 10:26 |  #35

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Sure ... anyone can shoot a Duck but it a major insult to the Duck shootin' shooter him/herself to use a mega $/£/etc bag of gear and just come back with something as mundain as we so often see here. If that's all these guys can capture and if that is where their quality standard ends then they may as well give up frankly.

Let's face it, shooting is an art form as much as a 'technical exercise' so be great to see people actually S T R E T C H themselves for a change and shoot an interesting Duck.

We aren't against Duck shots per se but I think we all should resist positively reinforcing the dull, mundain and average. No more 'sharp shot, what lens is that' or 'congrats, sharp. Thanks for sharing' BS. That gets no one anywhere other than an addiction to sniffin' the B&H shopping cart.

So, I see, is spelling.
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Nov 13, 2006 10:30 |  #36

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So, I see, is spelling.
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there are a number of us with less than perfect spelling habits.. time goes on.. conversation continues..:D :D


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Nov 13, 2006 10:38 |  #37

condyk wrote in post #2250978 (external link)
Sure ... anyone can shoot a Duck but it a major insult to the Duck shootin' shooter him/herself to use a mega $/£/etc bag of gear and just come back with something as mundain as we so often see here. If that's all these guys can capture and if that is where their quality standard ends then they may as well give up frankly.

Let's face it, shooting is an art form as much as a 'technical exercise' so be great to see people actually S T R E T C H themselves for a change and shoot an interesting Duck.

We aren't against Duck shots per se but I think we all should resist positively reinforcing the dull, mundain and average. No more 'sharp shot, what lens is that' or 'congrats, sharp. Thanks for sharing' BS. That gets no one anywhere other than an addiction to sniffin' the B&H shopping cart.

Connie hates it when someone censures his spelling.:cry:


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Nov 13, 2006 10:41 |  #38

saravrose wrote in post #2256268 (external link)
there are a number of us with less than perfect spelling habits.. time goes on.. conversation continues..:D :D

And so it has been ordained by the Master Conversationalist herself.:lol:


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Nov 13, 2006 10:51 |  #39

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And so it has been ordained by the Master Conversationalist herself.:lol:

:p :p :p .. good morning there Pete.. have you shot a duck today?
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Nov 13, 2006 11:18 |  #40

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:p :p :p .. good morning there Pete.. have you shot a duck today?
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G'morning to you childe (sic)....no, I have not been able to hit the lake yet because of this 'tupid rain...however, my daughter will take me down to the shore presently.

(Introspection: <It seems that too much time spent an the Experimental-B&W forum with Olligarchy, Maria and Connie must have corruptained my Anglois.:( >;)


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Nov 13, 2006 11:21 |  #41

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G'morning to you childe (sic)....no, I have not been able to hit the lake yet because of this 'tupid rain...however, my daughter will take me down to the shore presently.

(Introspection: <It seems that too much time spent an the Experimental-B&W forum with Olligarchy, Maria and Connie must have corruptained my Anglois.:( >;)

well then you should leave them presently and return to the bird forum...;) ;) ... as for rain I'll take your rain and raise you a foot of snow in nine hours...:p :p .. that hasn't stopped so I can take photos. not to mention the twenty miles through canyon i'm going to have to drive today..:confused:


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Nov 13, 2006 14:45 as a reply to  @ saravrose's post |  #42

No luck, still piting rain.
Anyways....here is some twisted duck from the days past.


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Nov 13, 2006 14:46 as a reply to  @ PetKal's post |  #43

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Nov 13, 2006 15:29 as a reply to  @ PetKal's post |  #44

Cyber likes to see this sorta 100% enlargement crops, especially if it's a JPG straight out of the camera.


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Nov 13, 2006 16:01 |  #45

PetKal wrote in post #2256298 (external link)
Connie hates it when someone censures his spelling.:cry:

Not really, I just assume such folks are accountants or similar 'bean counter' types and move on. I know they are needed in society, but sadly not often wanted ;) Clever dickery is usually the limit of their tickle-muscle reflex, but even that is a stretch ... as we saw :rolleyes:


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