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10-22 EF-S vs 17-40L FF

 
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Nov 12, 2006 11:37 |  #31

grego wrote in post #2251042 (external link)
Yeah, i should have terms that better. If you want shallower. You'd get the true DOF from a lens on full frame compared on cropped. Even on a 1.3 cropped camera, you'll get a little shallower than 1.6.

You always get the true DOF from any lens. The size of the sensor does not change the laws of physics.

If you choose a lens that will frame the image the same from the same position, such as a 50 mm lens on an EF-S camera and an 80 mm lens on a FF camera, take identical pictures and enlarge both to the same size print, you will get more depth of field on the print taken with the EF-S camera.

Whether this is better or not depends on what you are trying to do. If you want to blur out the background, the shallower depth of field of FF will be better. If you want to keep foreground and middle ground elements in sharp focus EF-S will be better.

It is slightly more complex than that. With an EF-S camera the image has to be enlarged more to get the same size print and you are using a shorter focal length. This means that the effects of diffusion/diffraction from a small aperture are more pronounced so while you may not want to shoot at a smaller aperture than f/11 on a 50 mm lens on EF-S, you may be able to shoot at f/16 with the 80 mm lens on FF. This almost negates the greater DOF advantage of EF-S. Similarly, if you want to blur the background, most people will consider how they set up the shot (more subject to background distance and less cluttered background) and what lens they choose (more telephoto) before deciding to change formats.




  
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Nov 12, 2006 13:03 |  #32

KevC wrote in post #2250018 (external link)
17-55IS on the crop system too! A big plus! You spend around the same to get the 24-70L on the full frame body, but no IS!

The 17-55EF-S is not a factor for me... I don't really need IS at those focal lengths for what I do.

grego wrote in post #2251005 (external link)
Do you value EF-S and cropped lens? That's the biggest question.

Actually I've always been suspicious about those EF-S lenses... I've always said I wouldn't buy one (except the kit lens, which is so cheap)... what made me consider the option is really the savings... For the price of a 5D/17-40 set, I can get a 30D/10-22, spend a 1000CAD on a good tripod/ball head/quick release system (I have a really bad tripod at the moment), have money left for filters and then some.

grego wrote in post #2251005 (external link)
Do you shoot longer or short?

I shoot short mostly... The longest lens I have is the 70-200. If I go FF, I'll buy the 1.4 TC eventually and I'll cover almost the same length as before. And I'll still have the 300D if I get an uncontrollable impulse to shoot crop again.

Basically I'm leaning towards the 5D/17-40... I have the money to get it but I'm always chicken about spending so much at once... Perhaps I should just go to the store, get it and plead insanity... :p


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Nov 12, 2006 14:49 |  #33

^^I think you should go with what offers you the best bang for your buck without too much compromise. If getting 30D and 10-22 means you'll have more money to finish a set, it might be a better choice.


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Nov 12, 2006 15:09 |  #34

grego wrote in post #2252760 (external link)
^^I think you should go with what offers you the best bang for your buck without too much compromise. If getting 30D and 10-22 means you'll have more money to finish a set, it might be a better choice.

I'm wondering if I shouldn't just go for the 17-40L now, plus the tripod/ballhead and filters... use that with my 300D over the winter and hope for the price to drop on the 5D in the spring...

That was my original plan... it's the rebates that made me consider other options... :confused:


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