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Nov 13, 2006 00:39 |  #1

Hi, I just returned from a great weekend in NYC (and now have lots of PP to do) :D. Over the two days, I got in trouble three times for taking pictures; once in a department store, once in the lobby of the World Financial Tower, and once by a police officer in the Newark airport. In all three instances I was told photography was prohibited, however no one asked me to delete the shots I'd already taken. I'm just wondering if this is normal in NYC specifically, or the states in general? I've never had similar problems before.


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Nov 13, 2006 10:31 |  #2

sugarzebra wrote in post #2254882 (external link)
Hi, I just returned from a great weekend in NYC (and now have lots of PP to do) :D. Over the two days, I got in trouble three times for taking pictures; once in a department store, once in the lobby of the World Financial Tower, and once by a police officer in the Newark airport. In all three instances I was told photography was prohibited, however no one asked me to delete the shots I'd already taken. I'm just wondering if this is normal in NYC specifically, or the states in general? I've never had similar problems before.

A bit surprising. I've taken many pictures in the world financial center with no problems at all. It's a beautiful lobby.

Stores on the other hand are usually picky about that, no matter what city you're in. Usually need to be casual about it, unobtrusive shall we say.

I've also taken many shots in airports, but not of security-related things and never had a problem.

Guess one just has to be discreet.

Hope you enjoyed yourself.

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Nov 13, 2006 10:35 |  #3

I've been told off for waving a camera around in a rail station. Never got asked to show or delete the shots I had taken though. Most probably it's because they know if they asked you to delete pictures, you're quite entitled to ask to speak to their superior and ask for clarification of the regulations.


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Nov 13, 2006 11:02 |  #4

sugarzebra wrote in post #2254882 (external link)
Hi, I just returned from a great weekend in NYC (and now have lots of PP to do) :D. Over the two days, I got in trouble three times for taking pictures; once in a department store, once in the lobby of the World Financial Tower, and once by a police officer in the Newark airport. In all three instances I was told photography was prohibited, however no one asked me to delete the shots I'd already taken. I'm just wondering if this is normal in NYC specifically, or the states in general? I've never had similar problems before.

Weird....I guess there still isn't a "standard"...

I've been told to not take images in department stores......never had a problem in Newark airport (where I'm quite obvious with my camera backpack slung on my shoulder and standing in clear view of everyone)......and never had a problem in NYC....

Been to NYC about 5-6 times this year, but I've not shot at the WFT.

I've even shot at Stewart International Airport, which is also the NY wing of the Air National Guard (Read: C-5A, C-130, F-16, et al) and have never been approached once.

<PSEUDO RANT MODE ON>

I really do understand the root cause and how difficult it can be to sort the "innocents" from the true danger.

But it's still annoying!!!!!!! LOL!!!!

And what cracks me up even further, is the people using cell phone cameras not being bothered, while the minute a black body peeks it's head, we're told to stop :eek:

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Nov 13, 2006 11:10 |  #5

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A bit surprising. I've taken many pictures in the world financial center with no problems at all. It's a beautiful lobby.

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We had a great time in NYC....its a fabulous place. In the world financial center I was at the top of the stairs shooting through some marble pillars towards the entrance way into a great hall with the name of the building inscribed above the archway. I tried to get the security guys to let me take the picture but no way......too bad I hadnt changed the ISO before getting up there, or I would have gotten the shot! They actually asked me to put my camera in the bag while I was leaving the area :(


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Nov 13, 2006 11:13 |  #6

I think in NYC and the surrounding area there is still a hyper-sensitivity to "national security" due to 9/11. While you never should argue with a police officer, if I was trying to a get "the shot" I wouldn't let a cop get in my way. I would say "oh, ok officer" wait for him to walk away, and then resume.


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Nov 13, 2006 11:16 |  #7

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Weird....I guess there still isn't a "standard"...

I've been told to not take images in department stores......never had a problem in Newark airport (where I'm quite obvious with my camera backpack slung on my shoulder and standing in clear view of everyone)......and never had a problem in NYC....

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I was at the boarding gait (with too much time on my hands & was experimenting with long exposures of people on the walkways..actually got some interesting shots that may be worth posting). I think someone must have complained because it was a police officer that came over (from behind me & I didnt see him coming). He was quite nice once I explained what I was doing, but quite assertive that there was no photography allowed once you are past security.


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Nov 16, 2006 11:01 |  #8

sugarzebra wrote in post #2256482 (external link)
I was at the boarding gait (with too much time on my hands & was experimenting with long exposures of people on the walkways..actually got some interesting shots that may be worth posting). I think someone must have complained because it was a police officer that came over (from behind me & I didnt see him coming). He was quite nice once I explained what I was doing, but quite assertive that there was no photography allowed once you are past security.

Interesting again....

I failed to qualify in my reply that I was definitely past security and in the gates area.

Most times, I plaster my lens against the window and take shots of the planes on the tarmac.

Come to think of it.....I don't take images inside the terminal.....

Ugh.....

Damned if you do, damned if you don't....

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Nov 16, 2006 11:23 |  #9

I just take photos and if they ask me to stop, I'll stop. If I'm in a building, I will ask the
security guard if they mind if I take photos. One time I was sitting in Starbucks with a friend reviewing the photos I took (of him) and one of the morons behind the counter jumped over the counter and told me to put the camera away. I said listen pal, if you notice, there isn't even a lens on the camera so relax. Some people over react and think they are super cops. Jackass' . I think they need to worry more about people who are hiding their 10 mp P&S cameras, not us because our lens' stand out like sore thumbs because they are big and white.




  
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Nov 16, 2006 11:49 |  #10

fstop212 wrote in post #2271899 (external link)
I just take photos and if they ask me to stop, I'll stop. If I'm in a building, I will ask the
security guard if they mind if I take photos. One time I was sitting in Starbucks with a friend reviewing the photos I took (of him) and one of the morons behind the counter jumped over the counter and told me to put the camera away. I said listen pal, if you notice, there isn't even a lens on the camera so relax. Some people over react and think they are super cops. Jackass' . I think they need to worry more about people who are hiding their 10 mp P&S cameras, not us because our lens' stand out like sore thumbs because they are big and white.

And the funny thing is the guys with the point and shoots always have their flashes on, and when in a small area are trying to squeeze everyone into a shot cause their point and shoot isn't wide enough, so they go as far back as possible and not let anyone walk by until they are done their shot (which takes a while because they usually take the same photo like 5 times, lol.)


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Nov 16, 2006 11:59 |  #11

I took plenty of shots in the WFT when I visited around this time last year. Great shots of the marble stairs, they had large poinsettias on the same stairs. When leaving at a different entrance I saw a small sign on a pedistal at the door that said 'Professional Photography Prohibited'. Had this sign been placed at all entrances/exits with care, I would have followed the request. I must have shot for about an hour with a 20d + battery grip and a zoom lens. Not a small camera.

I agree about the P&S people, we've got thousands invested in professional gear. Anyone who wants to take sneaky photos of architectural weaknesses can do so from an opening in their jacket. Even better, one of those hidden camcorders that news people use. To a point I say let them watch our every move but leave us alone unless you see an obvious infraction. I'm not doing anything wrong nor am I sneaking around in places where I shouldnt be.


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Nov 17, 2006 00:41 |  #12

the stores don't want you photographing in them because they don't want you to steal their display ideas. i used to work in one and that's what they practiced. it's a joke though, if you were visiting from a rival store, all you have to do is remember the stupid display.


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Nov 17, 2006 06:11 |  #13

I still don't understand how photography could be a "dangerous" thing, and why it is prohibited in public places.

Suppose that you were a terrorist, would you then start taking pictures of potential targets with a big and conspicuous camera and lens? No, you would probably try to do it secretly, with a small and inconspicuous camera.

Would it really help you as a terrorist to take those pictures? Probably not. A serious terrorist isn't stopped or even seriously hindered by the fact that he can't take pictures of his intended target.

IMO, banning photography in public places for security reasons is a hysteric reaction and not something that really improves the security. Hysteric reactions like that are even more dangerous, because they give a false sense of security.


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Nov 17, 2006 08:38 as a reply to  @ Jesper's post |  #14

I just got in a little fight with security at my mall when picking up my ps3. I was taking photos of my firends in line who I camped out with with their console, and I was going to take a photo of my dad with my console. Then they out of nowhere got pissy on me. I wonder if it was because it's a "large" camera or what. I felt like bursting a couple shots of my flash into their face :D.


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Nov 17, 2006 18:57 as a reply to  @ radloser's post |  #15

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the stores don't want you photographing in them because they don't want you to steal their display ideas. i used to work in one and that's what they practiced. it's a joke though, if you were visiting from a rival store, all you have to do is remember the stupid display.

Some stores have large, clear windows through which cameras can capture images of inside displays. A zoom lens could probably show pretty well what a shot inside might capture.

Some stores, such as the Jewel grocery chain, claim they prohibit cameras solely to prevent price recording to discourage competitors, but there's no policy prohibiting using a tape recorder or cell phone to orally record/transmit the same information. Unfortunately the practice mostly discourages consumers, as prices are not labeled or stamped on the products, so it becomes more difficult to catch price scanning errors, and impossible to clearly document and report violations of consumer protection ordinances (such as that similar goods be displayed with unit weight pricing, and often Jewel will show price per ounce for one brand, but price per pound or container for a different brand of the same size same product adjacent on the same shelf).

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Suppose that you were a terrorist, would you then start taking pictures of potential targets with a big and conspicuous camera and lens? No, you would probably try to do it secretly, with a small and inconspicuous camera.

Would it really help you as a terrorist to take those pictures? Probably not.

I'm not a terrorist, and I'm not supporting terrorism.
But--if I were one (and I'm not OJ Simpson, either BTW), then I would want to act exactly like all the other people in the vicinity. A criminal or terrorist wants not to call special attention to himself (or herself). So if an area has people taking photos and videos, or making sketches by hand where student artists gather, then I would also.

And those still or video graphic recordings can be very valuable. Human memory is largely unreliable without specialized training. Images can document traffic patterns (pedestrian, vehicular), security posts and traffic, security monitoring devices, layout of buildings, access and exit points, police monitoring staff and patterns, common delivery service companies and vehicle types, etc. With one or two known measurements of major structures, most of the others can be extrapolated.




  
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