The only thing keeping me from getting the 24-70 is...

ed rader wrote in post #2283768
grego -- if cost were no object would you rather have IS?

do you really think anyone familiar with phtography actually believes that IS can stop motion?

ed rader

It's not a need, but i would rather have it. It's an advantage to have aside from the money factor, but i can certaintly live without it. I defintely love it in my 70-200 IS.

For the most part, i believe that people familiar don't believe it, but new people are generally confused about it and think its the end all, judging by the posts i've read since i've been here for the past year.

grego wrote in post #2283722
There is no worthless, but if you are trying to stop motion, IS is not going to do it, whether its the 70-200 IS or 300 2.8 IS or 17-55 IS.

So its use is relative to what the application is. It's a nice feature to have, but not mandatory to have.

EF-S is a waste of money for me in my case. It's relative for the user, but to have a lens that only works on one body, does take away flexibility. That does not equate it to be a bad lens, but a bad lens in my choice. But 17mm on crop, equates to a good starting FOV for the FL. I don't see how anyone would deny that.

I know I know, I read your previous posts.

Some people think a prime lens is a waste of money since it's so 'limiting.' (and there's many a times when I use my 100-400 and not the 300 2.8 ) Obviously if one has a APS camera then a EF-S lens can be an excellent lens choice. These are just tools and some tools are better for certain jobs then others.

PeterGriffin wrote in post #2283802
I know I know, I read your previous posts.

Some people think a prime lens is a waste of money since it's so 'limiting.' (and there's many a times when I use my 100-400 and not the 300 2.8) Obviously if one has a APS camera then a EF-S lens can be an excellent lens choice. These are just tools and some tools are better for certain jobs then others.

Life's about limitations. Just got to find the best compromise to do the best job you can do.

grego wrote in post #2283784
It's not a need, but i would rather have it. It's an advantage to have aside from the money factor, but i can certaintly live without it. I defintely love it in my 70-200 IS.

For the most part, i believe that people familiar don't believe it, but new people are generally confused about it and think its the end all, judging by the posts i've read since i've been here for the past year.

i was on another forum recently and this guy showed some indoor pics of a kid's birthday party that he took with an f2.8 zoom.

he couldn't understand why most of the pictures were OOF because he thought that if you want to freeze motion you get an f2.8 zoom.

he not only thought that he read it day after day on the forums. then he asked if he needed an f1.4 prime instead.

the problem of course was shallow DOF and kids moving in various focal planes, which would only be worse with a lens with shallower DOF.

ed rader

ed rader wrote in post #2283832
i was on another forum recently and this guy showed some indoor pics of a kid's birthday party that he took with an f2.8 zoom.

he couldn't understand why most of the pictures were OOF because he thought that if you want to freeze motion you get an f2.8 zoom.

he not only thought that he read it day after day on the forums. then he asked if he needed an f1.4 prime instead.

the problem of course was shallow DOF and kids moving in various focal planes, which would only be worse with a lens with shallower DOF.

ed rader

Oh yeah, i agree. In the interest of being lazy, we tend to generalize, unless we want to write a lot. You still need to have sufficient shutter speed of course even at f/2.8 so that you freeze the motion and keep stuff in focus. I learned from film where failure cost money so it helped. Oh and embarassing since i had classes so others would see if I made a mistake.

I think people too often think this lens can do this, therefore it'll do it(the L lens) without knowledge of the basic technical knowhows. I think i have the basics down, but i still learn everyday.