1D MkII N or 5D ??? Dilema

I think the rumours of an upgraded 5D are missing the mark. The 5D is such a heralded camera, and fairly new by Canon standards, that its replacement will not be seen for quite some time; at least not until next fall at the earliest.

My educated guess is that the replacement for the 1dsmkII will be here before the 5D's replacement. It will probably jump up near 22 mp and cost 10 grand or more.

As to the 5D vs. 1DMKIIN, I've been wrestling with that dilemma for my second body for a long time. As a 1dsmkII owner currently, I'm not sure I want a camera with a different control layout as my second body. I'm also not sure I want another heavy camera, one with an older sensor that's been surpassed many times over.

As far as the OP's

all you need to cure that is a small piece of black electrical tape. I've used it over the Canon name and the 1ds many times, and then it becomes just another camera to onlookers.

Time will tell what comes down the pike.

mark

MDJAK wrote in post #2290844
As far as the OP's all you need to cure that is a small piece of black electrical tape. I've used it over the Canon name and the 1ds many times, and then it becomes just another camera to onlookers.

Time will tell what comes down the pike.

mark

Do you really think a crook will look the other way because they can't see a logo? They know the difference between a point and shoot and a expensive camera. and usually the lens you use will also dictate it.

insurance is the key.

MDJAK wrote in post #2290844
As far as the OP's all you need to cure that is a small piece of black electrical tape. I've used it over the Canon name and the 1ds many times, and then it becomes just another camera to onlookers.

Time will tell what comes down the pike.

mark

Mark, if i were going to steal from you, that wouldn't stop me!! Tape, psshh!

Not being a crook, I don't know what or how they think.

What I do know is that it is a popular technique, used worldwide by photojournalists.

I never meant to say that a would be crook would look at my camera and think it a point and shoot. But an educated crook (is that an oxymoron?) may very well know the difference between an 8k camera and one that can be had for maybe 2k used.

Whenever I walk around B&H holding my camera taking pictures, many people try to see the model of the camera. Those that do, nod approvingly when they see it's the 1ds instead of the 1d.

But, when I've had the tape on, you can see the frustration in their face. It's actually quite comical.

As far as insurance is concerned, unless I suffer a very large loss, I never make claims. The monumental sure to follow premium hikes will surely suck you dry in no time.

MDJAK wrote in post #2290888
Not being a crook, I don't know what or how they think.

What I do know is that it is a popular technique, used worldwide by photojournalists.

I never meant to say that a would be crook would look at my camera and think it a point and shoot. But an educated crook (is that an oxymoron?) may very well know the difference between an 8k camera and one that can be had for maybe 2k used.

Whenever I walk around B&H holding my camera taking pictures, many people try to see the model of the camera. Those that do, nod approvingly when they see it's the 1ds instead of the 1d.

But, when I've had the tape on, you can see the frustration in their face. It's actually quite comical.

As far as insurance is concerned, unless I suffer a very large loss, I never make claims. The monumental sure to follow premium hikes will surely suck you dry in no time.

I was just pulling your leg Mark. It's defintely better than nothing.

I had both. I sold my 5D. It is a great camera, to be sure, and IQ is oustanding. I also believe it edges out the IIn in IQ at 1600 & 3200 ISO.
That said, it really depends on what your primary subject matter is. A lot of sports, can't beat the IIn, and the IIn can be used for portraiture. You can use the 5D for sports, such as softball/baseball ..football..when you can anticipate a play. Mabye the 3 FPS wouldn't be a problem for you. Motorsports? I don't know...not having experience, it would seem like 3FPS might not be enough.

Bottom line, I have the IIn, and love it. The IQ, the feel of the body, the control layout..everything. I have the 30D for backup, and frankly don't even miss the 5D.
That's just my preference.

Photorebel wrote in post #2290966
Motorsports? I don't know...not having experience, it would seem like 3FPS might not be enough.

I have the 30D for backup, and frankly don't even miss the 5D.
That's just my preference.

For the motorsports it's mainly bikes and depending on what sort can be shifting at speeds around 180mph. The other type is dirt bike racing which is known for spectacular stunts and crashes. The stunts and crashes certainly benefit from high FPS. For the superbike stunting pictures, again many 'kodak' moments to be had and best done with high FPS as the stuff these guys do or the carnage that follows can never be anticipated.

Thanks for all your useful feedback guys.

Photorebel wrote in post #2290966
I had both. I sold my 5D. It is a great camera, to be sure, and IQ is oustanding. I also believe it edges out the IIn in IQ at 1600 & 3200 ISO.

LOL - I had both also, and sold the 1D II.

Most all of my shooting is single shot, so for me, the 8.5 fps wasn't a major issue. I rarely shot "rock-n-roll" when I had the 1D2.

Indeed, and mine is the 5D. Wish I could have kept both! Really, as you said, it depends on the intended use.

What I like on the 5D is the low-light performance and high-ISO noise rendition. It focuses faster in very low light. It benefits the wide-angle shooter. It's smaller & lighter. AF is very good, and I've not had any trouble tracking movement with it (granted, I've not tracked anything extremely fast and close, where I would expect the 1D2 to excel). It also produces the best out-of-camera shots I've gotten from any DSLR including the 10D, 30D, XT, and 1D2 (I suspect that is partly due to the latest algorithyms that Canon uses for sharpness, color, contrast, tint, WB, and all that).

What I liked on the 1D2 was the incredible build, the ability to AF with f/8 lenses (without cheating), and the great flexibility to the metering and AF systems. It also produced great, clean images, though they required more PP than those from the 5D (perhaps the "N" with picture styles might be better in this respect). The 8.5 FPS wasn't useful to me, but I can certainly see its usefulness in action situations. Perhaps if I had better access to events, I'd have learned the value of the frame rate.

Fact is, both are great cameras with much more in common than different. Yes, there's the frame rate, weather sealing, and build differences, but both can create wonderful images in the right hands. Each has a feature set that matches different situations, but each can work well in most situations.

The 5D vs. 1d mkIIn debate is now an age old debate on these forums, and opinions will vary about as much as the 24-70L vs. 24-105L IS debate that gets brought up at least once a week. Simple answer is find out which suits your needs more and just go with it. Both cameras have their strengths and weaknesses, but it's up to you to decide which features you require more. If money wasn't an issue, get both. Personally, I chose the 1D Mark II N over the 5D because it does so many things right and is a great multi-use camera. Try shooting a football game in the rain with a 5D without a raincoat.

to end the dilema...just get both....i'm planning to get the 5D but wait until Canon anounce new line up....

I'm going to a canon open day on 2nd of December where they will be showboating all the newest stuff along with lenses and stuff to try out. I'll hopefully get a chance to try both out then. Thanks for all your input everyone. Sorry to bring up an old subject but I feel fresh debate is healthy and certainly brings into view options based on current models, firmware updates and alternatives bear more relevance to what is currently available.

I was reading previous posts which were making some great points but were also referencing a lot of stuff prior to the introduction of the 5d or the 30d. It was nice to see people views on the kit I already have and has given me some ideas.

MJP wrote in post #2291564
to end the dilema...just get both....i'm planning to get the 5D but wait until Canon anounce new line up....

I think if I were of a mind to get both, then I'd buy the 1DS MkII and keep my 30d for travelling light and un-noticed.. LOL