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Dec 26, 2006 22:22 |  #31

Regardless of whether flash is OK to use at a particular show the results with flash are generally sub par - they produce flat photos and destroy the ambience of the performance.

That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this (external link).



  
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Dec 26, 2006 22:35 |  #32

jfrancho wrote in post #2448719 (external link)
That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this (external link).

That's a lot of sharp depth of field...I see you were at f/6.3, 1/20th, and at 17mm focal length...ISO 800...

great sample of flash use...John

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Dec 26, 2006 23:06 |  #33

johnstoy wrote in post #2448760 (external link)
That's a lot of sharp depth of field...I see you were at f/6.3, 1/20th, and at 17mm focal length...ISO 800...

great sample of flash use...John

Thanks for sharing...

You're welcome. There were three remote flashes, two are visible in the picture. I used ETTL with -2/3 FEL. That, combined with slow shutter and high ISO, were used to give add as much ambient exposure as flash exposure. It wasn't taken with the kit lens, hence the link, but with the 17-40 f/4 (basically an upscale kit lens).



  
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Dec 26, 2006 23:19 |  #34

johnstoy wrote in post #2447918 (external link)
we want to see your first pic here asap...ducks are cool...but it's winter...so mabe some local club band or dj will be just fine....

Looks like the best I can do for tonight is some duck-cat pics, and one Christmas one. We didn't get the lenses till dusk, and it was overcast today. So tomorrow I'm hoping for some sunny conditions to bust out the 70-200.

I think the 50 will be mostly used for messing around the house with the cats and dogs, and the odd creative portrait shot of a friend or relative.

So here's a few from the 50 for now!:

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I've read it somewhere in my travels, but to whomever says the 1.8 focuses slowly or poorly is REDICULOUS, this thing focuses so fast it blows my mind! (Oh, and so does the Sigma 2.8, MAD fast!)

And here's the SECOND pic ever taken by the 2.8 fresh outta the box in the store while I testing it out. This is my father staring into the massive 77mm face, going "omg!"

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Dec 26, 2006 23:41 |  #35

Thanks for the feedback jfrancho,
I got caught off guard this Christmas eve with my new 2.8 L lens...got some great shots, but missed several cause I didn't use (even) the on board flash... Yours is great information to know...sooner than later it will be resorted to...

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The second pic of the Cat and the photo of your Dad are already winners...there is room in post processing to work on the tones and colors too...don't lose these originals they are all great...


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Dec 27, 2006 01:22 |  #36

jfrancho wrote in post #2448719 (external link)
That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this (external link).

Please note my use of the word generally in my previous post.

In a concert environment it's very rare to get the option to set up one off camera flash, let alone more like you did for shot you posted.


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Dec 27, 2006 13:35 |  #37

Sorry, b-shad, I didn't mean to offend you, just add a counterpoint. If you work for the band, then generally, you can do what you want. I basically work with indy bands that play in small to medium size clubs, and I have never been told what I can and cannot do with a flash. Being stuck in a press pit sounds like the pits to me. Any way, the point is that in certain situations, flash can be used to add depth and emotion - portraiture photographers have been doing it for over 100 years. A simple flip backet with a bounce flash off a side wall can be all it takes. The key is to avoid that straight on, deer in the headlights shot. You want to balance ambient light with auxillary light. One thing to note, is that since the actual flash is such a short duration, you can get very sharp images with much slower shutter speeds.

As far as the onboard flash, I suggest doing everything short of taping it shut to avoid using it. Though, with a little luck, you can get a decent image (external link).



  
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Dec 27, 2006 14:10 |  #38

jfrancho wrote in post #2450987 (external link)
As far as the onboard flash, I suggest doing everything short of taping it shut to avoid using it. Though, with a little luck, you can get a decent image (external link).

The on board flash compartment is starting to wiggle a smidgen on me...I handle the camera a lot, rotating it from horizontal to vertical in my palms...thus the slight looseness in the on board flash encasement...I must have used this flash just 25/6500 shots...and that's mostly in lens tests...

If ever using a flash... bouncing the light off...at applicable angles, is the best way I've known to shoot everything from macro to portraits...


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Dec 27, 2006 19:47 |  #39

jfrancho no offence taken at all - just expressing a contrary opinion and I do agree that flash definitely has its time and place. More power to you if you can get access to set up an external flash setup within a venue.

Some venues and bands I shoot it would be possible but impractical to set up similar setups due mainly to crowd consideration and the fair chance of flash equipment being knocked flying or damaged.

I agree with your comments that flash can add depth and emotion in certain situations and I use flash a lot for non live shots - it's just in the live environment I find it rather impractical.

I think we are singing from the same hymn book; we might just be on different pages!


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Dec 27, 2006 21:04 |  #40

I think we are singing from the same hymn book; we might just be on different pages!

We are. My book has 100 pages - 99 are are about fast primes, and one page for flash :)



  
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Dec 30, 2006 15:29 |  #41

Well the show is tonight, wish me luck, I'm only going to take the 50, 70-200 is too heavy to carry around all night, and I'd prolly need a tripod anyways.

Do you guys typically go full manual, 1.8, 1/60th ISO800/1600? Or Av at 1.8 with a high ISO?


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Dec 31, 2006 00:48 as a reply to  @ aCiD99's post |  #42

I'm back, it was pretty awesome, got some good ones.

I'll post them tomorrow in a new thread, need some sleep for now.


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Dec 31, 2006 16:57 as a reply to  @ aCiD99's post |  #43

Pics are all posted here: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=257131


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Jan 03, 2007 00:08 |  #44

Great pics everyone! I am surprised that you are able to get this from the 18-55mm....
I am going to post what I did and what I got but I don't have anyone performing (in on the stage) they are just posting and still it doesn't look as good as yours.... Did you PP your work before posting??


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Jan 03, 2007 00:16 as a reply to  @ jackies35's post |  #45

OK... PP and C&C all you want... I just tried out the 18-55mm in the Club and wanted to see what the results would be...

I tried and added too much saturation and I can't get rid of the white glare on the bottom right..... Could someone fix this? Again, this is one of my best 18-55mm... I guess I better stick with the Nifty - Fifty f/1.4!!:o :mad: :o

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