That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this
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jfrancho Cream of the Crop 6,341 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Dec 26, 2006 22:22 | #31 Regardless of whether flash is OK to use at a particular show the results with flash are generally sub par - they produce flat photos and destroy the ambience of the performance. That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this
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johnstoy Cream of the Crop 6,646 posts Likes: 7 Joined Aug 2006 Location: Poconos, PA USA More info | Dec 26, 2006 22:35 | #32 jfrancho wrote in post #2448719 That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this That's a lot of sharp depth of field...I see you were at f/6.3, 1/20th, and at 17mm focal length...ISO 800... John Stoy
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jfrancho Cream of the Crop 6,341 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Dec 26, 2006 23:06 | #33 johnstoy wrote in post #2448760 That's a lot of sharp depth of field...I see you were at f/6.3, 1/20th, and at 17mm focal length...ISO 800... great sample of flash use...John Thanks for sharing... You're welcome. There were three remote flashes, two are visible in the picture. I used ETTL with -2/3 FEL. That, combined with slow shutter and high ISO, were used to give add as much ambient exposure as flash exposure. It wasn't taken with the kit lens, hence the link, but with the 17-40 f/4 (basically an upscale kit lens).
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aCiD99 THREAD STARTER Senior Member 639 posts Likes: 21 Joined Nov 2006 Location: LaSalle, Ontario, Canada More info | Dec 26, 2006 23:19 | #34 johnstoy wrote in post #2447918 we want to see your first pic here asap...ducks are cool...but it's winter...so mabe some local club band or dj will be just fine.... Looks like the best I can do for tonight is some duck-cat pics, and one Christmas one. We didn't get the lenses till dusk, and it was overcast today. So tomorrow I'm hoping for some sunny conditions to bust out the 70-200. I've read it somewhere in my travels, but to whomever says the 1.8 focuses slowly or poorly is REDICULOUS, this thing focuses so fast it blows my mind! (Oh, and so does the Sigma 2.8, MAD fast!) And here's the SECOND pic ever taken by the 2.8 fresh outta the box in the store while I testing it out. This is my father staring into the massive 77mm face, going "omg!" 1DXII, 3x 1DX, 5DSR, 1DIII, 1DsII, 6D, 7D, 50D, 30D, Rebel XT; 12-24, 14/2.8 fisheye, 20/1.4, 17-40/4L, 24-70/2.8L, 18-50/2.8, 3x 70-200/2.8 IS, 24-105L, 24-70/2.8L, 50/1.8II, 28-135IS, 85/1.2L, 135/1.8, 200/1.8L, 120-300/2.8 OS, 300/2.8L
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johnstoy Cream of the Crop 6,646 posts Likes: 7 Joined Aug 2006 Location: Poconos, PA USA More info | Dec 26, 2006 23:41 | #35 Thanks for the feedback jfrancho, John Stoy
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blackshadow Mr T. from the A team 5,732 posts Likes: 1 Joined Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne, VIC Australia More info | Dec 27, 2006 01:22 | #36 jfrancho wrote in post #2448719 That's isn't 100% true. If you can get the light off the camera, you can add DOF and dimension to the picture. Like this Please note my use of the word generally in my previous post. Black Shadow Photography
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jfrancho Cream of the Crop 6,341 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Dec 27, 2006 13:35 | #37 Sorry, b-shad, I didn't mean to offend you, just add a counterpoint. If you work for the band, then generally, you can do what you want. I basically work with indy bands that play in small to medium size clubs, and I have never been told what I can and cannot do with a flash. Being stuck in a press pit sounds like the pits to me. Any way, the point is that in certain situations, flash can be used to add depth and emotion - portraiture photographers have been doing it for over 100 years. A simple flip backet with a bounce flash off a side wall can be all it takes. The key is to avoid that straight on, deer in the headlights shot. You want to balance ambient light with auxillary light. One thing to note, is that since the actual flash is such a short duration, you can get very sharp images with much slower shutter speeds.
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johnstoy Cream of the Crop 6,646 posts Likes: 7 Joined Aug 2006 Location: Poconos, PA USA More info | Dec 27, 2006 14:10 | #38 jfrancho wrote in post #2450987 As far as the onboard flash, I suggest doing everything short of taping it shut to avoid using it. Though, with a little luck, you can get a decent image The on board flash compartment is starting to wiggle a smidgen on me...I handle the camera a lot, rotating it from horizontal to vertical in my palms...thus the slight looseness in the on board flash encasement...I must have used this flash just 25/6500 shots...and that's mostly in lens tests... John Stoy
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blackshadow Mr T. from the A team 5,732 posts Likes: 1 Joined Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne, VIC Australia More info | Dec 27, 2006 19:47 | #39 jfrancho no offence taken at all - just expressing a contrary opinion and I do agree that flash definitely has its time and place. More power to you if you can get access to set up an external flash setup within a venue. Black Shadow Photography
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jfrancho Cream of the Crop 6,341 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Dec 27, 2006 21:04 | #40 I think we are singing from the same hymn book; we might just be on different pages! We are. My book has 100 pages - 99 are are about fast primes, and one page for flash
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aCiD99 THREAD STARTER Senior Member 639 posts Likes: 21 Joined Nov 2006 Location: LaSalle, Ontario, Canada More info | Dec 30, 2006 15:29 | #41 Well the show is tonight, wish me luck, I'm only going to take the 50, 70-200 is too heavy to carry around all night, and I'd prolly need a tripod anyways. 1DXII, 3x 1DX, 5DSR, 1DIII, 1DsII, 6D, 7D, 50D, 30D, Rebel XT; 12-24, 14/2.8 fisheye, 20/1.4, 17-40/4L, 24-70/2.8L, 18-50/2.8, 3x 70-200/2.8 IS, 24-105L, 24-70/2.8L, 50/1.8II, 28-135IS, 85/1.2L, 135/1.8, 200/1.8L, 120-300/2.8 OS, 300/2.8L
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aCiD99 THREAD STARTER Senior Member 639 posts Likes: 21 Joined Nov 2006 Location: LaSalle, Ontario, Canada More info | I'm back, it was pretty awesome, got some good ones. 1DXII, 3x 1DX, 5DSR, 1DIII, 1DsII, 6D, 7D, 50D, 30D, Rebel XT; 12-24, 14/2.8 fisheye, 20/1.4, 17-40/4L, 24-70/2.8L, 18-50/2.8, 3x 70-200/2.8 IS, 24-105L, 24-70/2.8L, 50/1.8II, 28-135IS, 85/1.2L, 135/1.8, 200/1.8L, 120-300/2.8 OS, 300/2.8L
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aCiD99 THREAD STARTER Senior Member 639 posts Likes: 21 Joined Nov 2006 Location: LaSalle, Ontario, Canada More info | Pics are all posted here: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=257131 1DXII, 3x 1DX, 5DSR, 1DIII, 1DsII, 6D, 7D, 50D, 30D, Rebel XT; 12-24, 14/2.8 fisheye, 20/1.4, 17-40/4L, 24-70/2.8L, 18-50/2.8, 3x 70-200/2.8 IS, 24-105L, 24-70/2.8L, 50/1.8II, 28-135IS, 85/1.2L, 135/1.8, 200/1.8L, 120-300/2.8 OS, 300/2.8L
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jackies35 Senior Member 796 posts Joined May 2006 More info | Jan 03, 2007 00:08 | #44 Great pics everyone! I am surprised that you are able to get this from the 18-55mm.... Just a Christian passing by Event Photography.......
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jackies35 Senior Member 796 posts Joined May 2006 More info | OK... PP and C&C all you want... I just tried out the 18-55mm in the Club and wanted to see what the results would be...
Just a Christian passing by Event Photography.......
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