a question for those who shoot in auto mode.

http://www.photography​-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=244891

marian wrote in post #2325637
http://www.photography​-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=244891

All this shows is someone else who doesn't know how to use their equipment, it doesn't support your position.

tim wrote in post #2325685
All this shows is someone else who doesn't know how to use their equipment, it doesn't support your position.

tim's right, and it has another person supporting the statement we made that P mode does allow control of aperture and shutter speed.

Marian, I do not understand why you are so totally stuck on manual as the only mode to use. Auto mode have there place and as has been pointed out, if you know your camera you will get good results.

Maybe it's just me, but the link you gave seems to show someone who is just learning and actually got a usable shot using P mode but couldn't understand the concept of AV and how it interacts with a flash. I'm sure if you keep searching you will find many more posts on this forum from people who don't know how to use the equipment they have.

As a side point go and shoot bike and car racing, it's AV mode all the way, never use manual.

marian wrote in post #2325637
http://www.photography​-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=244891

Yes. I posted that after reading this thread. It supports what people have said about using P mode. I tried to use manual and I'm really not sure as how to do it yet. Obviously!

So, my point was why would I use M and not P when P clearly gives me a better image. Maybe it's not as GREAT as I would have gotten in M, but I think it passes for a decent shot. I spent a good amount of $$ for the camera and if it can help me I will let it. I'll learn and eventually not be a loser stuck in P mode!

AND...I've actually made $20 off it!! Sold 4 pics for $5 each

Maybe it's not much for you, but it's 1% closer to getting back my equipment investment!


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I suggest we ignore the troll, they're just trying to get a reaction. I doubt we can educate them, as they obviously don't understand their camera well enough to believe anyone else can.

Agosling, I never said, all "Manual!" Read my posts again! Manual or Av mode.

If you are shooting on P mode and it is a bright day, and if you need FILL flash, you may be in a dilema. The Canon's synch (10d's, 20d's, etc) at 1/200 sec. So, if your P mode tells the camera that your shutter should be higher, than 1/200, then the camera does not synch flash properly. I could give more examples, but what's the use?

Talk to some active working pros. Go to a paid seminar and ask the pro on the stage about shooting weddings in the P mode!

I am not "trolling" as one user mentioned. I merely stated that shooting P mode all the time is asking for problems! Learn to use your camera on manual mode!

Tim, if you read that other thread again, there are users who advocate the manual mode.

As I mentioned before, those are those in forums who know and those who don't! As you learn to use your equipment, you will understand why and how photographs come out the way they do.

"How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" Practice, practice, practice!

marian wrote in post #2325924
If you are shooting on P mode and it is a bright day, and if you need FILL flash, you may be in a dilema. The Canon's synch (10d's, 20d's, etc) at 1/200 sec. So, if your P mode tells the camera that your shutter should be higher, than 1/200, then the camera does not synch flash properly. I could give more examples, but what's the use?

Sync on the 20D/30D is 1/250th. Change the speedlite to high speed sync/fp mode flash and the shutter can be faster. Not 100% sure what P mode does in this situation since I tend to use manual in extreme circumstances like this, but I suspect P mode will use a fast shutter if HSS is on.

marian wrote in post #2325924
Talk to some active working pros. Go to a paid seminar and ask the pro on the stage about shooting weddings in the P mode!

I'm a working pro, but I don't give seminars. I'd also not recommend shooting an entire wedding in P mode, but it can be done if you understand your equipment.

marian wrote in post #2325924
I am not "trolling" as one user mentioned. I merely stated that shooting P mode all the time is asking for problems! Learn to use your camera on manual mode!

Shooting in P mode is quite possible, but not recommended.

marian wrote in post #2325924
Tim, if you read that other thread again, there are users who advocate the manual mode.

Manual mode is definitely superior when using the flash, either as your main light or as your fill light, mainly because it's more predictable. Using manual you can more effectively ballance ambient and flash light sources.

marian wrote in post #2325924
"How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" Practice, practice, practice!

Agreed! Learn your equipment, then shoot in whatever mode/style you feel is best for your circumstances.

20D Sync is 1/250.

Marian, if you read my posts you will see that I stated that I shoot wedding 90% manual, however I do use P and as long as you understand how it works it has never let me down.

I also think you have failed to read a number of the post here correctly, I certainly classify myself as a pro and I would certainly rate Tim the same. I spent most of the 80's and early 90's working fulltime. When I came back to photography from a break of almost 10 years all the autofocus and auto functions now available were new to me, so my learning was the reverse of someone starting out now.

Yes there are many of us who advocate the use of manual mode, no dispute there, the difference is I'm not so stuck in 70's that I can't accept the value of new technology.

tim wrote in post #2326175
Sync on the 20D/30D is 1/250th. Change the speedlite to high speed sync/fp mode flash and the shutter can be faster. Not 100% sure what P mode does in this situation since I tend to use manual in extreme circumstances like this, but I suspect P mode will use a fast shutter if HSS is on.

Agreed Tim. My camera isn't in front of me as it's at my gf's house but I did a little looking around.

From Bob Atkins photography:

Canon's documentation seemed to imply it as well, though I didn't find anything that came out and said it directly.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents in. Those of you with more experience can laugh off my opinion if you like, as I'm not a professional photographer, and as I only lived for 23 days in the 70's (born dec 8th 1979). Modes don't matter, what matters is what comes out of your camera in the end. If you can shoot a wedding with your camera in Green Rectangle mode and have excellent shots, then more power to you! Though I think it's unlikely this is possible. The so called creative modes have their purpose and are flexable if you learn to use each of them. Everyone has their own opinion of which ones work better. It doesn't mean that any of those modes are particularly bad or worse than others... just means some people have different preferences than you. Use what works for you, and don't go around telling people that they suck cause they use a certain mode that you don't like.

As an aside, I have read about a photographer via a professional forum who didn't know what an aperture was, but still managed to produce amazing results.

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I mentioned 10d's, 20d's in my post. The 10d synchs at 1/200 and sorry that I didn't metioned the 20d synch! (Too many models to remember!)

Keep in mind, that we all use different Canon body models, different lenses, (manufacturers) and different flash units. I personally don't have Canon flash Units. I use Qflash XD2 and have 2 Sigma DG Supers. Which by the way, I like to shoot in the manual mode, by bouncing off ceilings. I simply use the little built in diffuser reflector sometimes and recently bought the Flip It.

I'm probably older than some of you guys out there, but I'm not "stuck" in the 70's-80's! I did advance with the technology! (Anyone want to buy my medium format stuff?)

Yes, you can read a lot of forums (I'm repeating myself again) but I remember attending a Gary Bernstien seminar over 20 years ago. (Anyone remember him?) He spoke of a personal friend who knew nothing about photography.

What this guy's "secret was" is to put a roll of 36 exp roll into his camera, put the motor drive and turned the aperature ring and shot the whole roll, at a time. ONE picture, always came out super! (There's a reply, to your post, Tim!)

With digital , you can just shoot away and not "care" about the settings! BUT, when you go to the national conventions, (I was at WPPI in Vegas this year, anyone in this crowd go?) and see the top speakers and the "best of the best," people marvel at their work!

What I smile about, is that when the pros speak, people raise their hands and ask questions on how a picture was shot. People ask what f/stop and shutter speed! (Ever see the people sitting next to you, scribbling this info down?) The pro simply stated the reasons that he used a specific f/stop, shutter speed combo, to get the effect, he wanted. Never once, did they say, "I put it on P mode, shot several dozen pictures, hoping one would come out!"

Practice! practice! practice!

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