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Nov 26, 2006 00:48 |  #1

OK, guys... I took my wife to an embroidery center Saturday and bought her Christmas present(s). We put some nice cheese up for her new sewing equipment today, so she told me that I could go ahead and get the lens that I have been wanting. :D

Now, to ask everyone here their suggestions. I want to add some length to my bag. I currently carry and use the 70-200mm f/4L, 50mm f/1.4, and 100mm f/2.8 macro. I am trying to decide from the following list...

  • 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS
  • 300mm f/4L IS
  • 400mm f/5.6L
I will be using the lens for getting closer to birds and other animals that I just sometimes cannot reach well with the 70-200mm f/4L.

I like the idea of the varying range of the 100-400mm, but it overlaps with the 70-200mm that I already have now. I could go with the 300mm f/4L and add in a 1.4x extender with the difference. That way, I would have a little more versatile setup. I could use the extender on the 70-200mm as well as the 300mm giving me upwards to 420mm @ f/5.6.

What is the IQ difference between the 100-400mm and the 300mm? Can someone speak to this?

I am not really sold on the 400mm due to it only being f/5.6.

Any help that can be conveyed would be greatly appreciated.


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Nov 26, 2006 00:53 |  #2

Well I own the 1-4 and like it a lot but don't have much luck with it as a birding lens. Supposedly the 400L f/5.6 is supposed to be great for birding...fastest of the 3 for focusing...super sharp IQ...light weight. If I already had the 70-200, I'd buy the 400 before the other two options.


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Nov 26, 2006 01:39 |  #3

Thanks for the reply Permagrin. I was reading some more and found the following two threads that I had originally missed.

Photo archive:
https://photography-on-the.net …3&highlight=400​mm+f%2F5.6

Discussion on the 400mm f/5.6
https://photography-on-the.net …5&highlight=400​mm+f%2F5.6


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Nov 26, 2006 01:47 |  #4

i had both the 400 prime and the 100-400 and eventually sold the prime. it was an amazing lens that i enjoyed very much but the versatility of the 100-400 is just too good to pass up. i mostly use mine for birds but i also used it for landscape, portraits, close ups etc.. with great results.




  
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Nov 26, 2006 03:44 |  #5

Never owned the 400 myself but here is my pair:

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300/4 sets an act that is really tough to follow. Image quality is superb, and at f/4.5 it is out of this world sharp.

Good news..1-4 follows that act very closely. In fact sometimes it is too close to call and therefore the overwhelming versatility of the 1-4 makes up for it. I LOVE the freedom to frame especially when my subjects are not always necessarily cooperative. No regrets here. May be selling 300/4.. much as I love that lens, the 1-4 is doing a great job putting it out of business and I am not into collecting for the sake of collecting, ie. leaving the 300/4 to sit on a shelf collecting dust and try in vain to find a use for it.



  
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Nov 26, 2006 03:52 |  #6

The 100-400mm only duplicates the 70-200mm if you have both in your bag at the same time. The former allows you to go out with a single lens that will meet many needs. It is also 5.6 at 400mm remember, so saying the 400mm isn't fast enough doesn't hold water. I had the zoom and the 300mm IS L's and kept the zoom in the end. 300mm isn't long enough and a TCon impacts on AF speed. Out of the three I would only buy the 400mm L now I think, tho lack of IS is a pain at that length. The zoom push-pull didn't suit me but it is certainly decent and flexible if flexibility is key for you. IQ wise, 400mm L for me.


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Nov 26, 2006 03:56 |  #7

condyk wrote in post #2314198 (external link)
The 100-400mm only duplicates the 70-200mm if you have both in your bag at the same time. The former allows you to go out with a single lens that will meet many needs. It is also 5.6 at 400mm remember, so saying the 400mm isn't fast enough doesn't hold water. I had the zoom and the 300mm IS L's and kept the zoom in the end. 300mm isn't long enough and a TCon impacts on AF speed. Out of the three I would only buy the 400mm L now I think, tho lack of IS is a pain at that length. The zoom push-pull didn't suit me but it is certainly decent and flexible if flexibility is key for you. IQ wise, 400mm L for me.

the man speaks the truth except for the IQ part. Romy and a few other people here already proved that a good copy of the 100-400 can hold its own even against the fantastic 400 prime. after using both, i can still say that the prime is a tiny bit sharper but the difference is negligable at best. the one area where the 400 prime really shines is the AF speed which is mind blowing to say the least. in that aspect, the 100-400 simply can not compete...




  
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Nov 26, 2006 04:12 |  #8

I appreciate all the feedback from everyone. I have been doing a lot of reading since this original post. I have read in several places about the issues with IQ at 400mm with the 100-400mm like condyk was referring to. I even saw some photo examples of it on the Luminous Landscape site.

From everyone's feedback, my reading, and knowing what I want to do with the lens, I believe I have been able to make up my mind rather quickly. I will be pushing the button at the checkout page of B&H for the 400mm f/5.6L


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Nov 26, 2006 04:18 |  #9

blonde wrote in post #2314203 (external link)
... Romy and a few other people here already proved that a good copy of the 100-400 can hold its own even against the fantastic 400 prime.

I suspect that overall if someone took 100 shots with top copies of each in very mixed conditions and where IS wasn't a variable, i.e. tripod mounted, then the 400mm would be seen as consistently more capable. However, when hand shooting then IS really can up the keepers at anything over 100mm. So, I agree with you and disagree. As with most things there is no absolute, only what works in context. Personally, I tend to prefer the flexibility of a zoom and am happy to lose a tad of IQ so it doesn't really matter. I'd rather have a bigma than any of these tho', based on previous experience. Length counts, but it's sunny in Africa so speed concerns me less and you mainly shoot on a beanbag. It all depends, so key is to ID the key variables that matter for each person.


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Nov 26, 2006 05:03 |  #10

The 400L is excellent for inflight birding or just fast action, no problems at all hand holding this lens. This was taken when I was in a ski boat flying across the water at over 20 mph and the driver was zigzagging like crazy. AI servo on the 1DMKII ROCKS!!

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Nov 26, 2006 05:08 |  #11

kwsanders wrote in post #2314228 (external link)
I appreciate all the feedback from everyone. I have been doing a lot of reading since this original post. I have read in several places about the issues with IQ at 400mm with the 100-400mm like condyk was referring to. I even saw some photo examples of it on the Luminous Landscape site.

From everyone's feedback, my reading, and knowing what I want to do with the lens, I believe I have been able to make up my mind rather quickly. I will be pushing the button at the checkout page of B&H for the 400mm f/5.6L

It does depend.. I did get a good one, no issues at 400, superb at 300. But if you are happy with the 400 prime, then by all means go for it.. I've shot one before and I like its handling. Doesn't 'feel' heavy at all!




  
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Nov 26, 2006 05:10 |  #12

One time, I'll post a thread with a title like this:

Time to marry (camera said it was OK)

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Also, OP, you should get the 400L. 300L is great, but not enough difference to 200mm. 100-400L is proven to be quite less sharp than the 400L f/5.6...


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Nov 26, 2006 05:20 |  #13

karusel wrote in post #2314298 (external link)
One time, I'll post a thread with a title like this:

Time to marry (camera said it was OK)

:mrgreen:

Also, OP, you should get the 400L. 300L is great, but not enough difference to 200mm. 100-400L is proven to be quite less sharp than the 400L f/5.6...


King of the Long Tele (Liquidstone) seems quite pleased with his...
http://www.photography​-on-the.net …=240054&highlig​ht=100-400

There is a rumor that older copies were not as sharp. Both him and I seem to have gotten lucky. Not here to 'justify' my own decision (for me there wasn't that much of a choice), just remarking that something seems to have changed - maybe Canon slipstreamed a fix into the production line?




  
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Nov 26, 2006 05:29 |  #14

I stick by what I said. A 'test' using a TCon doesn't hold water if you are comparing lenses. The quality of those particular shots also don't convince. He also mentions they are initial impressions. I would be more interested in his view now, whether he uses the 1-4 IS L much, and him using both in controlled conditions. With that base line you can then judge real world potential.


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Nov 26, 2006 05:30 |  #15

I realise you haven't listed them, but have you considered the larger sigma lenses?


  
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