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Nov 29, 2006 16:59 |  #31

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FF is only FF because people call it FF, based on 35mm film format. Think about sensor size. Any size could be called FF if there was a lens to fit it and people agreed to call it that. Nothing magic about it.

I think Bill's point really is he's a hypocrite. Saying full 35mm frame is outdated yet owning one himself...and it's of the brand he supposedly hated just a little while ago. Remember when he was a Nikon and Nikon only fanboy?


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Nov 29, 2006 17:24 |  #32

condyk wrote in post #2330832 (external link)
FF is only FF because people call it FF, based on 35mm film format. Think about sensor size. Any size could be called FF if there was a lens to fit it and people agreed to call it that. Nothing magic about it.

yees but in this case its in compairision to 35mm lenses, and therefore is full frame 35mm sensor. and yes, i think its odd that he calls the technology outdated but owns one himself.


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Nov 29, 2006 18:48 |  #33

So now people are debating how much of an idiot ken rockwell is?



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Nov 29, 2006 18:55 |  #34
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Moppie wrote in post #2331346 (external link)
So now people are debating how much of an idiot ken rockwell is?

Yes, and it's a worthy pastime. :lol:



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Nov 29, 2006 18:57 |  #35
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condyk wrote in post #2327974 (external link)
I think most who moan do so because they think it makes them look cool. I think he makes some decent points about photography and I don't care about all the gear BS people get so excited about. He is an ass, but who here isn't?

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Nov 29, 2006 18:58 |  #36

Moppie wrote in post #2331346 (external link)
So now people are debating how much of an idiot ken rockwell is?

Just be happy in the fact that we are not the only bunch of people doing that. I am sure the original poster is happy about how many people just hate one person.


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Nov 29, 2006 19:09 |  #37

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I know I'm an ass...we're all an ass to someone- if you're not, then you're an ass to your true self by trying to make everyone happy!! (either that or you are up for sainthood)

I don't think I am an ass, crazy yes :) but an ass. I never piss anybody off. everyone seems like me, even if I hate them *insert smart tone here* :rolleyes: :)


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Nov 29, 2006 22:08 |  #38

If thinking that Ken is an idiot makes you an ass....sign me up for the team! Ken rates right up there with his twin brother "Baghdad Bob" when it comes to passing out bad info.


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Nov 29, 2006 23:38 |  #39

OP here. I donated because he made a lot of effort in posting a very good walk thru of the 30D which I used as a learning tool. He asks for donations, and I have used his site often, so I figured it was appropriate to donate. I have donated often for things like this. I support this site also, I bought from the store, I have not seen a link for a direct donation,

I find that Ken is extremely controversial. I wondered why. I think I might have come up with a theory based on this thread and a couple of others. There are a lot of people here who think they know better than Ken, they can take better pics and are more knowledgeable. Many of them probably are. The rub, I think, is that Ken is making a name for himself. If I were an expert, and saw some guy who I thought was an inferior begin quoted, making lots of money off his advice, much of which another expert thinks to be bad advice, it has to rub folks poorly. BUT, Ken has marketed himself and his site well. He has taken his work to the next level. He is MUCH better at marketing, by some experts here, than he is at photography. That has to disturb many pros and top notch amateurs here and other places. As a beginner, his instructional methods work for me, at least at this level.

What is concerning, people here actually admit to HATING the guy. I agree with the one poster here who stated Ken's research lacks scientific validity. Yes, he does seem to take a stance, and then establish a test to validate his own opinion. That is a poor method and displays serious immaturity, or intellectual dishonesty in those tests and in Ken's own insecurity.; But, for what I needed, he supplied the material and took a lot of his own time do do it, with hopes of compensation for his efforts.

Just mentioning his name here create an uncomfortable atmosphere for the person who mentions it. My intent was to say, hey, some people think Ken has something to offer for some of us, everyone should keep an open mind when he says something, and then judge their opinion on what he says, not just disqualify it due to that hatred. Oh well, Ken will remain a controversial person, and I, for one, hope he continues to provide some of the educational material he does. In his survey of the 30D, I found it helpful, and a few other of his techniques I also found helpful. He is surely surpassed here by a few of the more knowledgeable posters, but until they market themselves, and ask for money, I will read their posts with much appreciation for the help they give me also. Who knows, maybe someone will see that there are people like me who would support such sites and will decide to open their own sites and refute some of the errors that Ken has made.

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Nov 29, 2006 23:49 |  #40

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OP here. I donated because he made a lot of effort in posting a very good walk thru of the 30D which I used as a learning tool. He asks for donations, and I have used his site often, so I figured it was appropriate to donate. I have donated often for things like this. I support this site also, I bought from the store, I have not seen a link for a direct donation,

I find that Ken is extremely controversial. I wondered why. I think I might have come up with a theory based on this thread and a couple of others. There are a lot of people here who think they know better than Ken, they can take better pics and are more knowledgeable. Many of them probably are. The rub, I think, is that Ken is making a name for himself. If I were an expert, and saw some guy who I thought was an inferior begin quoted, making lots of money off his advice, much of which another expert thinks to be bad advice, it has to rub folks poorly. BUT, Ken has marketed himself and his site well. He has taken his work to the next level. He is MUCH better at marketing, by some experts here, than he is at photography. That has to disturb many pros and top notch amateurs here and other places. As a beginner, his instructional methods work for me, at least at this level.

What is concerning, people here actually admit to HATING the guy. I agree with the one poster here who stated Ken's research lacks scientific validity. Yes, he does seem to take a stance, and then establish a test to validate his own opinion. That is a poor method and displays serious immaturity, or intellectual dishonesty in those tests and in Ken's own insecurity.; But, for what I needed, he supplied the material and took a lot of his own time do do it, with hopes of compensation for his efforts.

Just mentioning his name here create an uncomfortable atmosphere for the person who mentions it. My intent was to say, hey, some people think Ken has something to offer for some of us, everyone should keep an open mind when he says something, and then judge their opinion on what he says, not just disqualify it due to that hatred. Oh well, Ken will remain a controversial person, and I, for one, hope he continues to provide some of the educational material he does. In his survey of the 30D, I found it helpful, and a few other of his techniques I also found helpful. He is surely surpassed here by a few of the more knowledgeable posters, but until they market themselves, and ask for money, I will read their posts with much appreciation for the help they give me also. Who knows, maybe someone will see that there are people like me who would support such sites and will decide to open their own sites and refute some of the errors that Ken has made.

Peace.

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hey Joe, if it works for you, go with it :) i for one will not support someone that offers bad advice or tests items with the intent to make them fail. i don't hate the guy or anything like that. as for people being jelous or things like that, i doubt that this is the case because most of the people here are extremely supporting and normally are thrilled when someone "makes it". i do think that people don't like him because he makes money by providing crappy advice and because he does not help the photogrphy field (only gives it a bad name). another problem is that there are so many great sites out there with better advice that do deserve the money more than a guy that already gets paid.




  
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Nov 29, 2006 23:55 |  #41

The problem with Ken is that he writes total crap, misrepresents products, and offers his own heavily biased usually ignorant opinion as fact.
He claims to be an expert when he isn't.

I don't even think he's very good at marketing as his site seems to only appeal to those very new to photography with a very, very limited knowledge base to compare his opinions with.


The fact that he makes money of it is not upsetting, the fact that he takes that money from people who don't know any better is.



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Nov 30, 2006 05:16 |  #42

I had never heard of him before I started visiting POTN. I think POTN does a better job doing his marketing than he does.

After looking at his site, I did find it quite entertaining. I wouldn't go so far as to call him an ass. I did walk away thinking that he probably thinks he is a better photographer than he really is. Winning a photo contest or two can do that to some people.


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Nov 30, 2006 09:13 |  #43

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I had never heard of him before I started visiting POTN. I think POTN does a better job doing his marketing than he does.

That sure seems true. There seems to be at least one thread bashing his site weekly. There are two right now.

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After looking at his site, I did find it quite entertaining. I wouldn't go so far as to call him an ass. I did walk away thinking that he probably thinks he is a better photographer than he really is. Winning a photo contest or two can do that to some people.

I glanced at the site earlier then spent a bit more time there this week. At first I thought it harmless and a bit of a fluff site devoid of and real info but two articles changed my mind. The first is the $150 vs $5000 camera, and the second is the set about sensor noise and resolution. It is clear reading those articles that the results were predetermined then the tests were designed so that he could prove the results as true. This is just plain deceitful and dishonest and breaks the very first thing any test engineer learns, you must be impartial. So though my passion does not flow as deeply as some here, the site is clearly propaganda and trash and not to be trusted.


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