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Nov 30, 2006 03:57 |  #1

I looked for a thread just on Basketball techniques, but didn't see one. Calling out for advice/tips on shooting. Never shot this sport and have an opportunity to shoot an ABA team this weekend. I will call the gym today and see what kind of lighting to expect. What is better 70-200 or 24-70. Guess flash (580 ex) and iso depends on lighting. But I also need to get a sense of what to look for when shooting, you know like best position to shoot from and things to watch out for. Any help with this much appreciate since I am going into a sport I haven't really watched in years. Really appreciate any/all advice...


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Nov 30, 2006 05:53 |  #2

I've seen a lot of work posted with both a 70-200 and a 24-70.

Do you have any fast primes just in case lighting is bad. 50 1.8, 85 1.8? If so I'd take them along as well.

I use a 50 1.8 and find it does not focus as fast as I would like sometimes and it is a bit short but apart from that I love it. 2.8 is too slow for my arena.

Ask the marshals and ref where you can sit. I have been in the 'danger zone' times and it does not leave much room for the players after a speedy break away. I always sit on the basesline on the edge of the 3 key/point line. It really depends what I am looking for.

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Nov 30, 2006 06:45 |  #3

DarrenL wrote in post #2333103 (external link)
I've seen a lot of work posted with both a 70-200 and a 24-70.

Do you have any fast primes just in case lighting is bad. 50 1.8, 85 1.8? If so I'd take them along as well.

I use a 50 1.8 and find it does not focus as fast as I would like sometimes and it is a bit short but apart from that I love it. 2.8 is too slow for my arena.

Ask the marshals and ref where you can sit. I have been in the 'danger zone' times and it does not leave much room for the players after a speedy break away. I always sit on the basesline on the edge of the 3 key/point line. It really depends what I am looking for.

Darren

Oh DarrenL...thanks so much! that is exactly the type of info I was looking for. I do have a 50 1/4. I am going to call the college and ask about the lighting today.

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Nov 30, 2006 07:35 |  #4

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I will call the gym today and see what kind of lighting to expect.

Hi Linda ....

I'm not really sure just how helpful calling and asking about the lighting will be ... unless you're actually talking to a photographer I'll bet that they won't have a clue as to the "kind of lighting" ....

The last college game I shot I used an 80-200 2.8 and a 400 2.8 (for the far-court). Here's one shot from that ( taken with the 80-200 2.8 ):

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Now, if the lighting is really good, those 2.8 lenses work really well. But if the lighting is not so good, then I'd agree with Darren regarding a couple of fast primes. I usually use either an 85 1.8 or a 100 2.0 for basketball if the lighting won't support the use of 2.8 lenses. As far as position goes .... again I'll defer to Darren in that it does depend on what you're looking for. I've been under the basket, along the baseline at the 3-point line, all the way over in the corner on the baseline, even from midcourt.

I'd recommend shooting in manual mode. Most likely you'll have to shoot wide open no matter what lens you wind up using. Set your ISO high enough to maintain a high shutter speed. And all of this will depend on the lighting ....

The only other lighting related issue is color balance. If you're dealing with cycling gym lights in this gym, then consistent color balance will go right out the door. You'll probably need to shoot in RAW and adjust for color balance in PP. BUT .... if the lighting is balanced for daylight then you can probably get away with AWB ... but it would still be better to use a custom white balance.

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Nov 30, 2006 08:20 |  #5

I normally stick to AWB as the 1D has a very good AWB sensor.

Try a few things out and get comfy. I usually sit cross legged during the play and then move during the breaks to grab team shots.

I hope you enjoy it. I really look forward to BB games. I've got one tomorrow evening.

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Nov 30, 2006 08:50 |  #6

Some sound advice here.

I have to say I'm generally not often blessed with bright venues for hoops, so I generally shoot with two bodies with a combination of prime lenses... I'll generally carry the 15mm f/2.8FE, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8 and 135mm f/2 and mix and match, depending on where I'm shooting from and what I'm trying to achieve.

If you're not on a tight deadline then RAW will get you out of a hole on the WB front.

As with many sports, it's a good idea to crank up your ISO to achieve a shutter speed of 1/500s... anything slower and you may see significant motion blur.

I did post a hoop thread a little while back if it's of interest: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=233276 - pics are taken with the aforementioned lenses and EXIF should be intact.

It's impossible to say what sort of light levels you'll be encountering... but hopefully you'll be blessed with some good lighting as it is nice to be able to work with longer focal lengths and to be able to use a zoom under the hoop.

Good luck and have fun. The good thing about basketball is that you will always get plenty of opportunities for pics around the basket :lol:

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Nov 30, 2006 09:00 |  #7

Nice work Gavin, I wish my local team (Worthing Thunder-EBL) had lighting that nice.

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Nov 30, 2006 09:05 |  #8

Hey Linda. If this game is going to be played at a Div. 1 schools facility, the lighting should be very good. You could easily use a f2.8 lens in there with out issues. I personally don't like to use the 70-200 in these locations. I like to shoot under the hoop type action where and anything between 24 to 85 mm will work. The 24-70 zoom should work just fine as well. I would pack along a 50 f1.4 if you have one, and perhaps a fast wide prime if you have one as well just to get some different looks.

If not at a Div 1... well that is a whole different story. The Div. 2s I have shot have been up to 2 full stops slower. Shutter speeds really take a dive with a 2.8. Still workable but plan on more time in front of the screen afterwards.




  
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Nov 30, 2006 09:10 |  #9

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Nice work Gavin, I wish my local team (Worthing Thunder-EBL) had lighting that nice.

Darren

Cheers Darren. I was shooting the Essex & Herts (now London) Leopards for the past couple of seasons in some of the gloomiest venues on earth. By the end of last season, I was working with two off-camera flash guns to get any sort of result... it was simply too dark to shoot with ambient light at their two home venues, even at ISO3200 and with fast primes.

So, this season, London United's home at the SPACE centre in Hackney is a huge improvement. However, it's still pretty dark. Most of the pics are shot at 1/500s, f/2.2 or f/2.5 at ISO1600 and I'm still rescuing an image that I've deliberately underexposed by -2/3 to -1 stop.

I shot at the NIA in Birmingham last year... and that was a nice consistent 1/500s, f/2.8 at ISO1600 across the whole court... that was luvly jubbly indeedy.

I've not visited Worthing for hoops but I'd imagine that you have your work cut out!

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Nov 30, 2006 09:19 |  #10

gmen wrote in post #2333521 (external link)
Some sound advice here.

I have to say I'm generally not often blessed with bright venues for hoops, so I generally shoot with two bodies with a combination of prime lenses... I'll generally carry the 15mm f/2.8FE, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8 and 135mm f/2 and mix and match, depending on where I'm shooting from and what I'm trying to achieve.

If you're not on a tight deadline then RAW will get you out of a hole on the WB front.

As with many sports, it's a good idea to crank up your ISO to achieve a shutter speed of 1/500s... anything slower and you may see significant motion blur.

I did post a hoop thread a little while back if it's of interest: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=233276 - pics are taken with the aforementioned lenses and EXIF should be intact.

It's impossible to say what sort of light levels you'll be encountering... but hopefully you'll be blessed with some good lighting as it is nice to be able to work with longer focal lengths and to be able to use a zoom under the hoop.

Good luck and have fun. The good thing about basketball is that you will always get plenty of opportunities for pics around the basket :lol:

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Gavin,
I checked your hoop thread and found it very enlightening and inspirational. (you know a pic is worth 1000 words) I especially liked "Something approaching thwunkage..." and hope I can manage to not get clobbered.
I was invited to shoot by a boxing associate who also does BBall games, so no pressure on submitting to editor's analytical eye, and I will definitely shoot RAW. Some of these conditions/challenges sound remarkably like I encounter with boxing. Hopefully I will have some keepers to post this weekend.
One more question about how many shots in typical game? I have 4 gig +PS2000 storage(40 gig), and that sometimes gets close with boxing and that is shooting LlG JPEG. RAW is memory eater!
Thanks much for sharing your expertise!
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Nov 30, 2006 09:25 |  #11

Photodawg1 wrote in post #2333626 (external link)
One more question about how many shots in typical game? I have 4 gig +PS2000 storage(40 gig), and that sometimes gets close with boxing and that is shooting LlG JPEG. RAW is memory eater!
Thanks much for sharing your expertise!
Linda

No problem Linda...

If I'm working with short primes in low light, I won't shoot that many images at a basketball game. I'll only shoot frame-filling action in and around the key so probably not more than 150-200 pics in total.

In better light, where I can use longer glass to access action further up the court, that number would increase somewhat.

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Nov 30, 2006 09:45 |  #12

gmen wrote in post #2333594 (external link)
Cheers Darren. I was shooting the Essex & Herts (now London) Leopards for the past couple of seasons in some of the gloomiest venues on earth. By the end of last season, I was working with two off-camera flash guns to get any sort of result... it was simply too dark to shoot with ambient light at their two home venues, even at ISO3200 and with fast primes.

So, this season, London United's home at the SPACE centre in Hackney is a huge improvement. However, it's still pretty dark. Most of the pics are shot at 1/500s, f/2.2 or f/2.5 at ISO1600 and I'm still rescuing an image that I've deliberately underexposed by -2/3 to -1 stop.

I shot at the NIA in Birmingham last year... and that was a nice consistent 1/500s, f/2.8 at ISO1600 across the whole court... that was luvly jubbly indeedy.

I've not visited Worthing for hoops but I'd imagine that you have your work cut out!

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Sorry to steel you thread Linda :oops:

Our arean (gym) is covered in dark wood panels.

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I'm at 1/320, ISO1000 at 1.8.

If Worthing get through to the finals I will be at Birmingham in Jan.

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Nov 30, 2006 10:04 |  #13

DarrenL wrote in post #2333710 (external link)
Sorry to steel you thread Linda :oops:

Our arean (gym) is covered in dark wood panels. I'm at 1/320, ISO1000 at 1.8.

If Worthing get through to the finals I will be at Birmingham in Jan.

Darren

Darren,

Not at all! It's all relevant and it helps me too! Thanks again for responding with your wisdom.


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Nov 30, 2006 11:05 |  #14

Linda, what is the goal of your shoot. Are you getting player shots, or just general game coverage? That can dramatically change how you approach the game.




  
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Nov 30, 2006 11:28 |  #15

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Darren,

Not at all! It's all relevant and it helps me too! Thanks again for responding with your wisdom.

I would not call it wisdom Linda. More trial and error :D.

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