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Dec 01, 2006 03:42 |  #1

A question for the sports shooters. When submitting images from pitchside or from your office do you have a standard image size/format that you comply with or is it set by the client?

One weekly paper I freelance for want images at 300DPI minimum, this can then make the image huge (7-9MB) if I filled the frame and there was no cropping. The images end up about 6000px x 6000px.

There is no way I could FTP files that big from pitch side. Even at home or in the office it takes a while to send 3 or 4 across.

When the images appear in the paper, they are only using a third of the image. I'm very new in the newspaper world so I would love to here some responses from someone who knows what they are doing . Is this arrangement usual?

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Dec 01, 2006 04:27 |  #2

This should help Darren: https://photography-on-the.net …09938&highlight​=newspaper

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Dec 01, 2006 04:56 |  #3

Darren,
Good question this one! Sounds like they intend to print their publication on billboards as opposed to a newspaper with those file sizes!!!:D

For me file size is around the 400-500kb mark (depending on ISO mostly).
The paper I freelance for insist on the following criteria:
No cropping of original image
No Sharpening (they have an algorithm which they apply pre-production which, to be fair to them, is brilliant. Then again for the reported cost of those algorithm, I should think so too!!)
Only Auto Level Adjustment

This all struck me as a little strange at first however it does allow for them to crop the photos to fit their requirements, so can see the logic. It also makes sure that I get everything spot on in camera as there is very little that I can do after the event in photoshop. So strangely its making me a better photographer! As for how the cropping changes the intergrity of the photograph, so far I haven't disagreed with the way they have cropped any of the photos - so fingers crossed it continues!

So effectively my work flow is: to import into photomechanic using the ingest function(at this point I change resolution to 150), select and caption images then batch process them through Photoshop, doing auto levels and then saving as JPEG high quality (I think it equates to JPEG quality 8 -10 in PS - am away from computer at mo and can't quite remember the settings!) then back to Photomechanic and FTP them across.

On Sportsshooter, Marc Atkins posted about this topic too:

http://www.sportsshoot​er.com …ge_display.html​?tid=22310 (external link)

Hope that this helps - I shoot on a 1d Mk1 so the file sizes may be a little smaller than on say a Mk11. If you are finding that the file sizes are still too big, maybe take the JPEG quality setting to about 6-7 in PS).

Good luck, would be interested to hear their logic for file sizes that large though!


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Dec 01, 2006 05:00 |  #4

Great thanks Gavin,

I did make a few searches but somehow managed to miss that thread.

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Dec 01, 2006 13:43 |  #5

Thanks for the response Paul,

I have a basketball game tomorrow and I've contacted the away sides local daily and they have agreed to buy 3 pictures of their players so I need to cover half the game for each side. Should be easy enough. I hope!

I'm just been browsing your galleries. You have some really nice stuff. Are you a full timer? I am just being nosey.

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Dec 01, 2006 17:13 |  #6

DarrenL wrote in post #2339311 (external link)
Thanks for the response Paul,

I have a basketball game tomorrow and I've contacted the away sides local daily and they have agreed to buy 3 pictures of their players so I need to cover half the game for each side. Should be easy enough. I hope!

I'm just been browsing your galleries. You have some really nice stuff. Are you a full timer? I am just being nosey.

Darren

Darren,

Good work on selling the images to the away side - its one of the things I'm trying to work on at the moment, although proving to be tougher (and more time consuming than I thought!).

I do tend to use this link as a starting point:

http://www.abyznewslin​ks.com/uking.htm (external link)

Thank you for the comments regarding the galleries. I freelance part time, only started photography again 2-3 months ago after a knee injury forced me to stop playing rugby. Prior to that, apart from a few odd photos here and there, the last time I picked up an SLR was around 1997.

So really at the moment I am trying to get things off the ground and get a network set up so I can build things up to a point where I can make a conscious decision between this and my day job. However that is a long long way off!!!

How about you?


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Dec 02, 2006 04:11 |  #7

Tall_Paul_2000 wrote in post #2340122 (external link)
Darren,

Good work on selling the images to the away side - its one of the things I'm trying to work on at the moment, although proving to be tougher (and more time consuming than I thought!).

I do tend to use this link as a starting point:

http://www.abyznewslin​ks.com/uking.htm (external link)

Thank you for the comments regarding the galleries. I freelance part time, only started photography again 2-3 months ago after a knee injury forced me to stop playing rugby. Prior to that, apart from a few odd photos here and there, the last time I picked up an SLR was around 1997.

So really at the moment I am trying to get things off the ground and get a network set up so I can build things up to a point where I can make a conscious decision between this and my day job. However that is a long long way off!!!

How about you?

Thanks for the link Paul. Another page I found was http://www.mediauk.com​/newspapers/ (external link)

My local paper is a weekly (print on Thursday) so I usually have 2 days max to get the images to them of our local teams/sports. So I shoot Saturday and sometimes Sunday and then process in between and aim to have them on the sports editors desk by Monday morning, Monday afternoon at the latest. I could leave it longer but if I have any hope of working for a daily, I need to get files on desks ASAP. I have contacted my larger local daily and they would like images but are unable to pay me and offered me perks like free tickets so I turned them down.

I've spent a large amount of my free time in the last 6-9 months researching photographers, trying to work out what editors want (it's impossible!!), what prints in local paper, what prints in nationals. What sports get little coverage that I could break into, contacting editors, trying to make contacts etc., oh an trying to get the missus to release some money from our wedding funds for new equipment ;)

I only started photography again at the start of the footie season after a long break. I studied photography at school (I'm 24 now) but somehow fell into another field when I left. Like you say I might need to make a decision in a few years about what I am really doing, all I know at the moment is that I am really enjoying my self, love seeing my name in print, and love being commented on my work. Very few of those boxes are ticked in my day job (IT analyst).

Over to you skipper.

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Dec 02, 2006 04:28 as a reply to  @ DarrenL's post |  #8

That link is good - just check the "last updated" date on the info before you calll as there are a couple that I just peeked at on there that are a long way out of date!

As for second guessing what papers want, its an interesting pastime. I was chatting to the picture editor at one paper recently and it appears that rather than going purely for action based images, there is a trend towards portraying the emotion of sport - through celebrations etc. Pick up the Daily Mirror on a Monday for example and look at their football suppliment. It is usually crammed full of celebration shots.

There is also the other thing that sometimes editors will throw in a curveball and just choose something entirely bizarre from the shots you submit. I remember Joe Toth from here telling me that he once covered a football match and got pictures of each goal of a player's hattrick - which was the main story of the night...............so logically the paper ran with 2 pictures of 2 players who had little input to the game!!!

Funny how many people on POTN work in IT or other such roles. I work as a Credit Risk Analyst (statistics geek to quote my mates!) for large bank.....just to buck the trend!!

Anyway, good luck with today's shooting - I'm off to the hockey!


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Dec 02, 2006 04:34 |  #9

You too paul, best of luck. The rain is driving in at the moment so I'll have to get my waterproofs ready at this rate.

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