30D vs 5D

I know this have been discussed 14256 times before - but i am looking for a camparation between the 30D and 5D.
Not only the tecknical stuff - thats easy too find - but the pro and cons in real life photo
I shoot landscape - indoor portrait( in my kinda studio setup with EX fleashes - unbrellas and Transmitter) -and some weddings.
I am thinkin like this :
Outdoor i need more wide angle. On the 5D my 17-40 would give me that - and i would get full frame too.
I have shot a few with the 5D and loved the big wievfinder.
Indoor my 85mm would bee even more perfect on a full frame camera.
I am very pleaed with my 30D but - hesitate buying the EFS 10-22 as long as a probably want full frame.
And of course i would like dtoo be sure the 5D is as solid and "problem free" as the 30D.
Maybe i should think of the Mark IIN ? But i dont shoot much sports so i guess the frame rate isnt that important. And its not full frame - but its weather sealed. The pricw diff is about 800 dollars and that would almost give me a 135 f 2

Thats all
Best regards from Norway 5

Sounds like you have most of your mind made up. And for your uses it sounds like 5D would be a better choice. Go for it.

i'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I have the 30D, 17-40L, 50mm 1.4 and a 70-200. I borrowed sjafari's 5D for my trip to the Grand Canyon and was interested to see the performance of the lenses on a FF body - wow.

so if you are serious about landscape and having more flexibility to frame your shots, get the 5D.
If you want to be able to deliver better quality wedding photos with less noise and post-processing, get the 5D.

And, if you can manage it, keep the 30D as a backup...regardless of all of the great things about the 5D, the 30D is still a great camera IMO.

If you do some weddings and you have the money...the 5D is the one to choose. With current rebates you are in good shape.

Lou

Thank you for your advises
Sometimes we all need to have someone saying " you are on the right track"
Thanx again

Nilsen wrote in post #2357516
Thank you for your advises
Sometimes we all need to have someone saying " you are on the right track"
Thanx again

You are not on any track, you are wandering down the middle between tracks.

If you need the 5D, stop wondering, buy it and collect lenses that work best with that camera.

If you don't need the 5D, stop worrying about it and get the lenses that are optimized for your existing camera.

The worst thing you can do is compromise your present photography for something you might never do in the future.

ScottE wrote in post #2359276
You are not on any track, you are wandering down the middle between tracks.

If you need the 5D, stop wondering, buy it and collect lenses that work best with that camera.

If you don't need the 5D, stop worrying about it and get the lenses that are optimized for your existing camera.

The worst thing you can do is compromise your present photography for something you might never do in the future.

Hm - interesting : You are saying if happy with 30D use money on glass - unless i know i need 5D.

and thats the big Q: do i need 5D

I have the 20D and 5D. I didn't NEED the 5, but it sure is nice to have. There's no doubt that the 30 will take incredible photos, but the FF is a better sensor. The image quality is better. I hardly use the 20D, even at sporting events. It's my back-up and for a second shooter, like my wife at weddings. I love my 5, and would never give it up unless it was for a 1Ds. Having quality glass is another must. Check out www.the-digital-picture.com for reviews. I rent different lenses, and sometimes bodies, for certain events where I need more than I own. If you really can't figure out if you should get it, rent it for about $100 a week and see what you think.

I have both the 20D and the 5D and I find myself using whichever, based on the subjects. the 20D gets the longer lenses and the 5D gets the wide ones. And no matter what the EF-S advocates say, you can go wider on FF than you can on a crop. Sigma makes a 12-24 mm zoom for FF; that'd be a 7.5 mm on crop. The widest prime you can get is a 14 mm; it's FF, and that's still wider than a 10-?? on the EF-S. Fisheyes - 8 mm on FF gives you a full 23.5 mm circle; it's cropped top and bottom on EF-S. 16 mm FE on FF is markedly fishy; much less so when cropped. The way I look at it, by having both you've doubled your lens collection.

I see you have the 420EX and 500 DG Super. Both of those zoom as if your lenses are FF unlike the later 580EX and 430EX, so why not get a camera that works that way as well? Go for the 5D.

Just remember that your 17-40 will vignette badly until about F8 on the 5D.......same with any fast 1.2,1.4 lens.......or wide angle. I thought your exact thoughts and ended up selling my 20D & 10-22.......only to not like the 5D, return it, and now lose money to buy another 30D & 10-22. Quite honestly I wasn't impressed with the 5D given it's limitations with certain lenses, and constuction. For the dollar I would say the 20/30D is a far superior camera to the 5D. You hear alot of people saying how good it is..........personally I didn't see it.

Go with the 30D &10-22, use the extra you would have spent on the 5D and get another nice lens.

SeanH wrote in post #2362171
Just remember that your 17-40 will vignette badly until about F8 on the 5D.......same with any fast 1.2,1.4 lens.......or wide angle. I thought your exact thoughts and ended up selling my 20D & 10-22.......only to not like the 5D, return it, and now lose money to buy another 30D & 10-22. Quite honestly I wasn't impressed with the 5D given it's limitations with certain lenses, and constuction. For the dollar I would say the 20/30D is a far superior camera to the 5D. You hear alot of people saying how good it is..........personally I didn't see it.

Go with the 30D &10-22, use the extra you would have spent on the 5D and get another nice lens.

Your 17-40 will not "vignette" on the 5D. Vignetting is having part of the image cut off by physical obstructions, and is manifested as an abrupt break to total black. If you're not familiar with it, stack a couple of filters or a tele lens hood on a wide angle lens and look for the black corners. Even the Cos^4 falloff you may see hardly merits the "badly". You'll experience similar falloff at similar apertures on comparable focal length lenses in APS-C. Of course, quite often there just aren't comparable lenses for APS-C.

I've yet to purchase the 16-35, but I've not seen ANYTHING that would cause me to think my 20Dor a 30D is a better camera. The image quality of the FF sensor is better than that of the 20D/30D. This isn't just my opinion, it's a fact. The pixels are larger and have less noise. I'v used the 85 f/1.2 many times at below f/2 and have not seen vignette to the degree mentione above. God forbid I'd have to open an image in CS2 to remove a touch of Vignette! For the qaulity, I don't mind!

Jonathan Consiglio wrote in post #2362517
I've yet to purchase the 16-35, but I've not seen ANYTHING that would cause me to think my 20Dor a 30D is a better camera. The image quality of the FF sensor is better than that of the 20D/30D. This isn't just my opinion, it's a fact.

No argument there, the 5D does produce slightly better image quality, but it is also a fact that a 30D image is excellent too and more than meets the needs of the majority of photographers.

Jon wrote in post #2362220
Your 17-40 will not "vignette" on the 5D. Vignetting is having part of the image cut off by physical obstructions, and is manifested as an abrupt break to total black. If you're not familiar with it, stack a couple of filters or a tele lens hood on a wide angle lens and look for the black corners. Even the Cos^4 falloff you may see hardly merits the "badly". You'll experience similar falloff at similar apertures on comparable focal length lenses in APS-C. Of course, quite often there just aren't comparable lenses for APS-C.

Really?.........huh

17-40L @ F4

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SeanH wrote in post #2364672
Really?.........huh

17-40L @ F4

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......oh and lets not leave out the 50 1.4-

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Call it what you like, but if you like your edges and corners darker with any fast or wide lenses then the 5D is your camera.....LOL. Or you can always PP the dark edges (vignetting) out.........in every shot......unless your shooting JPG's. But what's a couple min to take it out......LOL.........n​o thanks, not for me.

Oh and BTW, I didn't just buy a 5D to take home and shoot white walls with, this was a test I had to do after I fully noticed the "effect" in everyday shots I took. And this is after taking hunderds of shots with a 20D & 10-22 (alot wide open)............funny I never noticed it then. Not saying it wasn't there, but if it was it wasn't 25% as much as the 5D. All bull**** aside.....using the 50 1.4 I bought with the camera I noticed it in the 4th shot I took with it..............and noticed it on the LCD........didn't even take the PC to see it.

i began noticing this while shooting with my buddies 5D for my trip to the Grand Canyon, but it's a simple fact of life...and IMO i would much rather have a FF camera and have to deal with vignetting.