30D vs 5D

[QUOTE=John7;2367954]
Yes, there is some light falloff with 17-40 and 24-105 lenses, but only under certain lighting conditions and easiliy corrected in PS if needs be.

Only with theese two lenses ?

Don't get me wrong, the 5D is a great camera. I definitely wouldn't mind owning one. However, based on all of the images I've seen, printed and on the screen, the difference between the 5D and 30D is not that great. The 5D is better, yes, but it's not night and day by any means. Same with the build quality. I don't see any real difference between the 30D and 5D in that respect. The 1D is another story.
So, I personally think that some of this talk about "there is no comparison" is partly the 5D owners justifying the price difference to themselves as well as others.
Again, the 5D is by most all accounts a better camera than the 30D, no question. But it is not a world of difference. If you can justify the large price difference, go for the 5D and be happy. But if not, don't let the equipment snobs lead you to believe that you have to have a 5D to take great photos. That's rubbish.

I'm a 30D owner and pretty happy with its IQ but as I do a lot of landscape, I'm really starting to wish I had gone full frame... I'm sure my next upgrade to full frame camera will be for the reason of getting most out of my lenses and not for purely of IQ differences

tomhide wrote in post #2368090
I'm a 30D owner and pretty happy with its IQ but as I do a lot of landscape, I'm really starting to wish I had gone full frame... I'm sure my next upgrade to full frame camera will be for the reason of getting most out of my lenses and not for purely of IQ differences

That makes sense.

jevidon wrote in post #2357113
so if you are serious about landscape and having more flexibility to frame your shots, get the 5D.
If you want to be able to deliver better quality wedding photos with less noise and post-processing, get the 5D.

And, if you can manage it, keep the 30D as a backup...regardless of all of the great things about the 5D, the 30D is still a great camera IMO.

I fully agree with these comments.

In particular, the part about keeping the 30D as backup (I kept my 20D when I bought the 5D) apart from the benefit of being able to carry twin bodies with different lenses, to save lens swapping in the field, the two cameras have different strengths and there are times the 20D is my camera of choice.

The main reason for keeping the 30D though is backup for the weddings. I used to do a lot of weddings and the thought of not having a backup body (and flash / lenses / CF cards / batteries etc) would scare the cr*p out of me. Believe me, 'error 99' isn't an acceptable reason for not getting any shots. Camera failure with no backup will get you a bad reputation very quickly and could cost you thousands when the couple demand a reshoot.

Nilsen wrote in post #2356740
I know this have been discussed 14256 times before - but i am looking for a camparation between the 30D and 5D.
Not only the tecknical stuff - thats easy too find - but the pro and cons in real life photo
I shoot landscape - indoor portrait( in my kinda studio setup with EX fleashes - unbrellas and Transmitter) -and some weddings.
I am thinkin like this :
Outdoor i need more wide angle. On the 5D my 17-40 would give me that - and i would get full frame too.
I have shot a few with the 5D and loved the big wievfinder.
Indoor my 85mm would bee even more perfect on a full frame camera.
I am very pleaed with my 30D but - hesitate buying the EFS 10-22 as long as a probably want full frame.
And of course i would like dtoo be sure the 5D is as solid and "problem free" as the 30D.
Maybe i should think of the Mark IIN ? But i dont shoot much sports so i guess the frame rate isnt that important. And its not full frame - but its weather sealed. The pricw diff is about 800 dollars and that would almost give me a 135 f 2

Thats all
Best regards from Norway 5

had the same thoughts just after I got the 30D, sold it and gopt the 5D

Now Im a happy chappy

Save your money get the 5D first

harrydog wrote in post #2368055
Don't get me wrong, the 5D is a great camera. I definitely wouldn't mind owning one. However, based on all of the images I've seen, printed and on the screen, the difference between the 5D and 30D is not that great. The 5D is better, yes, but it's not night and day by any means.

Whoa, you and I must be talking about different cameras - or maybe it's an issue with the photographer. Either way I can't believe that the mass of people on this website who have discussed superior quality from the 5D are wrong.

While the two certainly have a lot in common, there is a striking difference in overall weight and grip size. When shooting with my 70-200 2.8IS I was able to hold the camera far more steady in landscape orientation. While some people might complain about the extra weight making use more difficult, I find it important as it acts as a counterbalance when using quality glass.

This is about the only part of your post that I can agree with you on...

Wait, didn't you just spend the majority of your post trying to refute this statement? I'm so confused....

No one is trying to say that you need the 5D to take great photos. When I finally get my 5D, it will be my secondary camera when shooting sports because the 30D does a much better job with capturing fast action. But that's not what we're arguing here. The OP obviously already understand a good amount of the canon lineup, otherwise he wouldn't have titled this thread "30D vs. 5D". In response, I've provided my opinion based upon his first post describing what he wants to shoot photos of. And, in closing, if the people trying to convince him to buy the 5D were only saying this because they are equipment snobs, they would be recommending the 1DsMkII, but that isn't happening...

jevidon wrote in post #2368642
The OP obviously already understand a good amount of the canon lineup, otherwise he wouldn't have titled this thread "30D vs. 5D". In response, I've provided my opinion based upon his first post describing what he wants to shoot photos of. ...

I am very impressed over the overwhelming respons on my humble post And i also is very gratefule too all
After listening too all this good advoces - it al gets down too what Jevidon is saying above in this thred - its based upon what i am shooting.
And with that in mind - it looks like i have a little saving project coming up Looks like the 5D and my lenses wil bee the winner over the 30D and for example the 10-22 for the wide end.
Its a fantastic experience sitting here up in the cold Norway - and getting all this good and interesting feedback - from people sharing the same interest i do.
This forum is just great - and so are u all in here

[QUOTE=Nilsen;2368040]

John7 wrote in post #2367954
Yes, there is some light falloff with 17-40 and 24-105 lenses, but only under certain lighting conditions and easiliy corrected in PS if needs be.

Only with theese two lenses ?

Not by a mile.......did you miss the test with the 50 1.4 I posted? It's just as bad as the 17-40.

I love all the science that comes out from 5D owners regarding this subject.......it gets so deep I can't even understand what they are trying to say. All I know is the damn thing makes the corners dark

tomhide wrote in post #2368090
I'm a 30D owner and pretty happy with its IQ but as I do a lot of landscape, I'm really starting to wish I had gone full frame... I'm sure my next upgrade to full frame camera will be for the reason of getting most out of my lenses and not for purely of IQ differences

If lenses are the problem and not IQ it is lot cheaper to buy a 10-22 lens than a 5D camera. I don't think you are presenting your real motive.

ScottE wrote in post #2369419
If lenses are the problem and not IQ it is lot cheaper to buy a 10-22 lens than a 5D camera. I don't think you are presenting your real motive.

No the lens is not my problem and yes I realize 10-22 is a cheaper option of getting wide angel from the 30D. I was only saying that I wished that I could get most out of the lenses that I have thus wished to have gone the 5D and will be one of the prime reason for upgrade to FF. Intact my response was more directed to the post above me to “harrydog’s comment. Being a complete newbie at the time of purchase, unfortunately I didn't realize the significant difference of the 1.6 crop factor vs FF...
For the record, I am fussy about IQ and that’s the main reason I bought the Canon’s 30D and chose the L-lense over other brands camera and lenses. I'll be more careful to explain my self in the future

John7 wrote in post #2367954
Well, I've owned a 20D for a year and now a 5D.

There is no comparison - the image quality produced by the 5D is superior. The camera is better built than the 20D and it handles better.

I sold my 20D.

Yes, there is some light falloff with 17-40 and 24-105 lenses, but only under certain lighting conditions and easiliy corrected in PS if needs be.

My 5D is a keeper!

yea I noticed that as soon as I strted using my 5D

also what is the thing against vignetting, it can look really good, not only in 'retro' shots

jevidon wrote in post #2368642
Whoa, you and I must be talking about different cameras - or maybe it's an issue with the photographer. Either way I can't believe that the mass of people on this website who have discussed superior quality from the 5D are wrong.
While the two certainly have a lot in common, there is a striking difference in overall weight and grip size. When shooting with my 70-200 2.8IS I was able to hold the camera far more steady in landscape orientation. While some people might complain about the extra weight making use more difficult, I find it important as it acts as a counterbalance when using quality glass. This is about the only part of your post that I can agree with you on...
Wait, didn't you just spend the majority of your post trying to refute this statement? I'm so confused....No one is trying to say that you need the 5D to take great photos. When I finally get my 5D, it will be my secondary camera when shooting sports because the 30D does a much better job with capturing fast action. But that's not what we're arguing here. The OP obviously already understand a good amount of the canon lineup, otherwise he wouldn't have titled this thread "30D vs. 5D". In response, I've provided my opinion based upon his first post describing what he wants to shoot photos of. And, in closing, if the people trying to convince him to buy the 5D were only saying this because they are equipment snobs, they would be recommending the 1DsMkII, but that isn't happening...

You obviously read into my comments what you wanted to read into them.
Since you're so confused let me repeat what I said a bit differently so that maybe you'll understand it better...it's not that difficult.

1) Yes the 5D is by most all accounts a better camera than the 30D - I never said it was not did I?
2) But the difference in IQ is not nearly as great as some people say it is. The differences are not even always noticeable. There are even times when the 30D can produce better images; longer telephoto shots for example can have better resolution.
3) I would probably own a 5D myself if I really thought it was worth more than double the cost of the 30D, but I don't.
4) There is a difference between build quality and size/weight. You're talking about one and I'm talking about the other.
5) Equipment snobs are everywhere and photography forums seem to have more than their fair share of them. If you can't see that there are *some* 5D owners who frequent the internet who fall into this category, you must be quite naive.

All-in-all, I'm just presenting another opinion. Don't get bent out of shape because it isn't the same as yours.

(1) Go to camera shop with both the 30D and the 5D in stock

(2) Remove the body cap on both the cameras and place them side by side facing you

(3) Look up the business ends of each one and see the mirror

(4) Cry (winner 5D bigger sensor)

(5) Ask the nice salesperson to let you see the 16-35mm f/2.8L

(6) Mount the 16-35mm on each camera body

(7) Cry (winner 5D full advantage of lens)

(8 ) Now swap the 16-35mm for a 24-105mm f/4.0L but on the 5D mount a 580EX flash

(9) Shoot some indoor shots with each and now walk outside and shoot both fill shots and just regular shots with no flash

(1O) Close your eyes and picture yourself at Disney World with the family in the middle of July with your 5D/580EX combo hanging around your neck vs. just a 30D and its pop up flash

(11) Cry (winner 30D with its pop up flash)

The list goes on and on with the trade offs of each camera body and it all depends on what you shoot. I’ll never get rid of my 30D (or its replacement) all because of that darn pop up flash. Sometime I just want to grab my camera (which is enough of an albatross as it is) and not lug along the 580EX.

Canon has yet to make the perfect camera.

tomhide wrote in post #2368090
I'm a 30D owner and pretty happy with its IQ but as I do a lot of landscape, I'm really starting to wish I had gone full frame... I'm sure my next upgrade to full frame camera will be for the reason of getting most out of my lenses and not for purely of IQ differences

That really is the point - if you shoot wide get a FF camera if you shoot long get a crop