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Dec 10, 2006 23:02 |  #1

I made this illustration because it seems so many are without any idea about the probable location of dust in the dSLR...

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A: The single-dashed line comes in the lens and bounces off the surface of the reflex mirror (dark blue), becoming the double-dashed green line. Dust or obstructions on the mirror are not in focus in the path of the light and cannot be seen in the viewfinder because they are not focused until they have travelled to the focusing screen. Dust on the mirror cannot appear in the photo because the mirror flips up completely out of the optical path. Use a blower to blow off dust, but normally you do not want to clean off the front surface of the mirror, because the silvering is on the front surface (unlike a mirror at home or in a lady's makeup mirror in her purse).

B: Dust on the lower surface of the focusing screen (green) is in viewfinder focus. Dust on the focusing screen will be seen in the viewfinder but not on the photo because it is not in the optical path to the sensor (orange). It is a nuisance only. If you attempt to clean this, be very careful as it is quite easy to mar the focusing surface of the plastic focusing screen. If you ever try to wash it off, only air dry it rather than blot dry; if you live where there is hard water, rinse in distilled water first before allowing to air dry.

C: Sometimes dust or hairs can get in between the focusing screen and the pentaprism (or pentamirror in the XT/XTi) as shown with the mid-blue line. Dust in between is almost but not quite in viewfinder focus. Dust in between might be seen in the viewfinder as somewhat out of focus, but will not be seen in the photo because it is not in the optical path to the sensor (orange). It is a nuisance only. If you have never removed the focusing screen it is best to leave the cleaning of this area to repair shops. (Only the high end 'pro' camera models have screens that normally are considered user exchangeable, so you would not know how to get in here unless you put in a third-party focusing screen at one time)

D: When the mirror (dark blue) flips up and obscures the viewfinder at the time of exposure, the single-dashed line passes straight and light rays are allowed to strike the sensor (orange). If the dust/obstruction in in the photo and is not seen in the viewfinder, the dust is on the sensor. You can blow the sensor off with an air bulb. As a second-level attempt you might need to use a cleaning solution made for this purpose, using lint-free swabs to somewhat gently swab this. You will not be touching the actual sensor surface, but a clear element in front of it, but that is not a license for using brute force.

Review: A and B and C are nuisances only (although they can drive some people crazy), so you can leave them alone and nothing gets harmed except for the psyche of the compulsively clean. Dust in D is the only situation in which you truly need to take any action.

E. When there is dust on one of the optical surfaces of the lens itself, that dust will not be visible in the photo as localized spot. However, dust in the lens will contribute to inifinitessimal amouts of degradation to the image quality, and lots and lots of dust will soften the image. (Some medium/large format 'soft' portrait lenses of the past had intentionally put a large disk into the optical path specifically to soften the wrinkle lines, and you could dial in the degree of softness!) Great debates about the amount of 'acceptable' dust prevail about some lenses in the Canon lineup. But many lenses in the past -- even ones not intended to be 'soft focus' -- have had bubbles within the lens element itself, which were tens of thousands times larger than any single dust particle (or all of the dust particles combined!), without obvious effect to viewers...I never heard anyone comment about "You can see where there is air bubble in one of the elements and it shows up here in the photo!" So carry the air bubble logic over to dust, and it is debatable if one should fret over small amounts of dust in the lens (That is not to say that you should not blow dust off the front element periodically. I'm merely indicating that dust on the lens is not fatal to your photo!)

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Dec 11, 2006 10:17 |  #2

this should be a sticky considering how often people ask about dust...


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Dec 11, 2006 10:36 |  #3

Excellent illustration and explanation.
You might want to add something about dust on the front or rear lens element, or viewfinder eyepiece, also being out of focus and generally not noticeable either when looking through the viewfinder or in the image.


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Dec 11, 2006 10:41 |  #4

I was afraid to clean my CMOS, and was cloning out spots on every image I wanted to save. It just about drove me berserk. Finally, I went to http://copperhillimage​s.com/index.php?pr=tut​orials (external link), bought a basic kit, and cleaned my sensor. It took two tries, but it worked exceedingly well. I'll never hesitate to clean mine again. Well worth the bucks, especially when you realize that most camera shop employees have no clue how to clean a sensor.




  
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Dec 11, 2006 10:46 |  #5

Damn, nice job. If you are bored, I need some holiday help at the restaurant!


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Dec 11, 2006 10:50 |  #6
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Great for a sticky.




  
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Dec 11, 2006 10:59 |  #7

Curtis N wrote in post #2384586 (external link)
Excellent illustration and explanation.
You might want to add something about dust on the front or rear lens element, or viewfinder eyepiece, also being out of focus and generally not noticeable either when looking through the viewfinder or in the image.

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Dec 11, 2006 11:01 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #8
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Good job Wilt, I just rated this topic 5 stars..


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Dec 11, 2006 11:16 |  #9

Dante King wrote in post #2384618 (external link)
Damn, nice job. If you are bored, I need some holiday help at the restaurant!

Depends upon the style of food you serve up. I've taken numerous courses at the California Culinary Academy, including a (on weekends) compressed version of the 16 month professional class!

PS I don't do windows or dishes or pots and pans. Jurgen Weiss at CCA likes my bouillabaise (wrong, it was clams marinierre) and Hubert Keller likes my tomato concasse!


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Dec 11, 2006 11:24 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #10

Nice illustration and description, thanks!

It's on my list to buy a dead SLR from eBay and destructively test the focusing screen, mirror and pentaprism to see how fragile they really are.




  
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Dec 11, 2006 11:44 |  #11

birdstrike wrote in post #2384768 (external link)
Nice illustration and description, thanks!

It's on my list to buy a dead SLR from eBay and destructively test the focusing screen, mirror and pentaprism to see how fragile they really are.

I can understand the focusing screen and mirror, but why the pentaprism? (I have never heard of a pentaprism getting damaged in a drop, although it might be interesting about the ruggedness of the petamirror.) I would suggest adding a test to see how much force to abrade the transparent cover over the sensor, and perhaps even a test to see how much force it takes to shatter the sensor itself!

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Dec 11, 2006 12:09 |  #12

Very good, needs to be stickied, although one suggestion, add labels to the image, i.e. abcd, make it easier to find out what you want quicker etc...




  
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Dec 11, 2006 12:27 |  #13

Great ideea to post this. Very useful for "SLR beginers". I will complete your post with an image later, for better understending ;)

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Dec 11, 2006 12:33 |  #14

OK, supplement my color illustration with the labelled and more realistic illustration provided by CapOne, and I think we have a 'take'! Maybe I could borrow the CapOne illustration and color it (if I knew I was not violating a copyright!)

I have added annotations to the original drawing and updated the link.


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Dec 11, 2006 13:49 |  #15

The exact link of my image is
http://l.yimg.com …00-7645-7328-4_020111.jpg (external link)

I'm sure there is no copyright violation. Afterall it's just a drawing and we're not using it in any comercial way ;)

Later edit
I think it will be usefull to draw an arrow with text for the focus screen ;)


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