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What filters are bettermainly for protection?

 
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Dec 11, 2006 19:20 |  #1

For the 16-35L and 70-200 2.8LIS which protection filter is better.

UV or Skylight?

Which would have other benefits?


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Dec 11, 2006 19:23 |  #2

UV. I'd recommend either Heliopan or B+W. Skylight will do pretty much the same but add a very slight warmth to the colour. Now I'm putting on the flak jacket waiting for the anti-filter brigade to arrive :lol: :lol:

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Dec 11, 2006 19:47 |  #3

Bill Roberts wrote in post #2386660 (external link)
UV. I'd recommend either Heliopan or B+W. Skylight will do pretty much the same but add a very slight warmth to the colour. Now I'm putting on the flak jacket waiting for the anti-filter brigade to arrive :lol: :lol:

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That's what i quoted for:D


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Dec 11, 2006 19:49 |  #4

I am getting these.

Hoya 77mm UV(0) (Ultra Violet) Multi Coated Ultra Thin Glass Filter

Hoya 77mm UV(0) (Ultra Violet) Multi Coated Glass Filter


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Dec 11, 2006 19:56 as a reply to  @ RgB's post |  #5
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Good luck with cleaning them!


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Dec 11, 2006 21:36 |  #6

sounds good, but remember, a thin filter will not let you put a lens cap on it as it's thread where the cap attaches is missing or too thin.


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Dec 11, 2006 21:44 |  #7

I use a B + W UV filter - it's not cheap, but it's one of the best made. It is an "F-PRO", and it cost me almost $100 Cad - about 1/15th of the cost of my lens.

It is thin, and the Canon lens cap will fit on it with no problem.

It can be cleaned - mine has been cleaned several times - with a little "breath moisture" and a soft cotton cloth. I have lens tissues, but they are nuisance to use.


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Dec 11, 2006 21:56 |  #8

Hermeto wrote in post #2386783 (external link)
Good luck with cleaning them!

Ill be using Copper Hill Ultimate D-SLR Care Kit solution designed specially for Multi coated filters or lenses.

http://www.qualitycame​ra.com.au …cPath=33&produc​ts_id=1352 (external link)

"Introducing... The Lens Care Kit

PSI's Eclipse is the absolute best chemical to use in cleaning an imaging sensor. However, it does not work quite as well on lenses and filters. Because of the multi-coatings of the glass, it has a tendency to leave a residue. That's why I am now offering you the absolute best chemical to use on lenses and filters - Formula MC (standing for multi-coating). Together, with the lens tissue, cloth and a top notch retractable lens brush, this is the only Lens Care Kit you'll ever need to buy. It's all put together in a plastic tube carrying case that you just toss into your camera bag. I've used quite a few different micro-fibre cloths over the years, but this one is without a doubt the BEST lens cloth of them all - you will love it! The pick-up ability gets better with each washing."


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I use the same thing, it was included in the kit I just recently ordered from Copper Hill.

However, I do not have first hand experience, but I read more than once that Hoya filters, although optically excellent, can be real pain in the but when it comes to cleaning.
Seems that only Hoya Pro 1 series doesn’t suffer from that problem.

I’ll try to find more info on that subject..


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Dec 12, 2006 02:02 |  #10

Hermeto wrote in post #2387381 (external link)
I use the same thing, it was included in the kit I just recently ordered from Copper Hill.

However, I do not have first hand experience, but I read more than once that Hoya filters, although optically excellent, can be real pain in the but when it comes to cleaning.
Seems that only Hoya Pro 1 series doesn’t suffer from that problem.

I’ll try to find more info on that subject..

Thanks HERMETO


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Dec 12, 2006 06:17 |  #11

Oh yes, we horrible anti-filter people lurking around to destroy all that's holy... :rolleyes:

Here's the other side: Use a lens hood for protection. Front elements are a lot tougher today than in the past and do not get damaged from cleaning. In a harsh environment, like hard blowing sand or blowing sea spray, a filter is a good thing to use. I'd recommend the Hoya digital filter - it's not UV or skylight, just a well-made piece of glass designed to protect the lens.


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Dec 12, 2006 06:36 |  #12

tiktaalik wrote in post #2388478 (external link)
Oh yes, we horrible anti-filter people lurking around to destroy all that's holy... :rolleyes:

I'd like to add a question to this.......does having a protective filter on affect the image in terms of sharpness? I'm at the moment experimenting with and without a filter..........and agree that the lens hood is a dual purpose tool.........keep unwanted light out and protects the lens !

Thoughts ?


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Dec 12, 2006 06:55 |  #13

Duncaji wrote in post #2388506 (external link)
I'd like to add a question to this.......does having a protective filter on affect the image in terms of sharpness? I'm at the moment experimenting with and without a filter..........and agree that the lens hood is a dual purpose tool.........keep unwanted light out and protects the lens !

Thoughts ?

Yes a filter can have a negative effect on sharpness especially if it's a cheaper filter. Some lenses seem more prone to this problem than others. A filter can also introduce flare and reflections when used under low light conditions with light sources in or near the field of view.

Definitely compare your images with and without the filter and include some night shots as well!


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RgB wrote in post #2386649 (external link)
For the 16-35L and 70-200 2.8LIS which protection filter is better.

UV or Skylight?

Which would have other benefits?

Unless you are going to use the filter for the effect, I wouldn't use it except when you are storing and traveling with the camera. I don't use filters unless I need the effect.I heard elsewhere on this forum that why buy "L" glass and put poor glass on the front. I just exercise great care with the lens cover and hold the lens pointed down when not shooting between shots.I mainly use the lens hoods for protection if I really feel I need it.If you plan to use these for "while shooting protection," I suggest you save your money for more L lenses.




  
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Dec 12, 2006 12:31 |  #15

To be fair ANY filter will degrade the image. I don't think that there can be any logical argument against that, the argument comes about whether the degradation can be seen in real life terms. I'm certain it can be measured but given a top quality filter, in the vast majority of shots I can't see any difference at all. Yes there are instances that they can cause flare when a bright light source is in the frame, but the easy answer to that is remove the filter for that particular series of shots. I'm always in favour of using a lens hood for all my lenses.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a poll about just how we're split on this but I'd guess around 50/50? I've seen LOTS of threads on the subject and I really do try and resist joining in but my sense of humour usually gets the better of my common sense in the end :) I firmly subscribe to the "only take it off if it's causing a problem" camp because I'd rather clean a filter than my front element. I don't have any issue at all with anyone who has the completely opposite point view though, but I do reserve the right to poke fun at them :p
and would expect nothing else in return!

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