Dilema,get a 5D or 30D

Ok I have come to a fork in the road,I am saving for a new camera.The only problem is that Im really twisted on which to buy,the 5D or the 30D.I have went to a local camera retailer and handled both.I do have to say I was quite surprised at the bulk of the 5d,like a friggin brick!But I loved how it handled,as the 30D,both felt really good in hand.But I felt the employee was just trying to get me to buy the more expensive model.
So heres the scoop.I would like to photograph sports,but as of yet I havent.I need better glass.And in due time I will.But first the body.
And I also am really loving portraits.I was told that the 5D isnt really fast enough for sports,at 3fps,but awesome at portraits whereas the 30D is at 5fps and would do well for sports.And I knew that but I suggested that could it be done...shooting sports with the 5D,and he basicly said no.And to throw it in I love the FF sensor of the 5D
Which should I get?again money isnt too tight cuz if I go for the more expensive model Ill just have to wait a lil longer to gather the money.

the FPS thing really is BS. You can do a lot of things at 3fps. Not everything, but still a lot. I shoot girls volleyball on my 1dmkii at slower rates and sometimes on one frame. It depends what I'm going for and where i'm positioned.

Buy which will give you the best setup, not just body.

grego wrote in post #2397458
the FPS thing really is BS. You can do a lot of things at 3fps. Not everything, but still a lot. I shoot girls volleyball on my 1dmkii at slower rates and sometimes on one frame. It depends what I'm going for and where i'm positioned.

Buy which will give you the best setup, not just body.

I figured the fps was a buncha BS.I know Ive gotten some pretty good lookin pics from fast action with one shot.Also the 5D would probably alter my tripod choice.Again add on,at this point this will be the biggest/heaviest lens Ill have,a 70-200mm f/2.8L and Im sure it would collapse a unsturdy tripod,or at least one thats not able to hold thta kinda weight.

What kind of sports are we talking about?

It is more like high school sports, 3 FPS on 5D should be okay.
If you think about professional sports, you’ll most likely find 5 FPS barely enough – you’ll look at 1D MkIIN..

Just my opinion..

There's nothing wrong with not having the FF sensor. What's great about crop camera's is you don't use the worst part of a 35mm L lens it's edges. For sports the 30D's crop factor will help with reach also.

8 MP is the standard resolution for sports photography (1D MK2n) so higher speeds are capable (8.5fps an a 1D MK2n) or (5fps on a 30D)

Nobody would recommend a 5D for sports as you will miss the shots you need a 30D is just enough but you will still have large gaps in the sequence. I would recommend a 1D MK2n at 8.5 fps and doesn't cost much more than a 5D.

thekid24 wrote in post #2397481
I figured the fps was a buncha BS.I know Ive gotten some pretty good lookin pics from fast action with one shot.Also the 5D would probably alter my tripod choice.Again add on,at this point this will be the biggest/heaviest lens Ill have,a 70-200mm f/2.8L and Im sure it would collapse a unsturdy tripod,or at least one thats not able to hold thta kinda weight.

Buy what gives you the best kit. Glass is more important than your body(from my look at your sig), so get what you need to capture the action.

Oh and learning how to shoot is more important than having 5 or even 8 fps just to push down the shutter.

At one shot you can time the capture but when shooting a burst only the first shot you can time and the rest you don't have much control over. That's when the extra fps will help.

Hermeto wrote in post #2397483
What kind of sports are we talking about?

It is more like high school sports, 3 FPS on 5D should be okay.
If you think about professional sports, you’ll most likely find 5 FPS barely enough – you’ll look at 1D MkIIN..

Just my opinion..

yeah it would be more for high school and possibly college basketball.And for family pics like children playing running around etc etc

Check the sidelines at the NFL games. You will see ten or more 5 and 8fps cameras to every one 3-4fps camera. What does that tell you?

I can't count how many times I took a sequence at 5fps with my 20D and missed the in between one that I wanted. With the 3fps of the 5D you will have a little more than half the frames over a given sequence than the 30D.

If you are willing to shell out the extra money for a 5D, why not go a little further and get a 1D Mk II N, or even a used 1D Mk II. Then you'll have the ultimate sports camera and a fine portrait camera as well.

I say invest in a good lens setup first, then get the body, because when you do that the Body will have dropped a lot in price and the lens would have dropped also but not as much, thats for sure.

pcasciola wrote in post #2397540
Check the sidelines at the NFL games. You will see ten or more 5 and 8fps cameras to every one 3-4fps camera. What does that tell you?

I can't count how many times I took a sequence at 5fps with my 20D and missed the in between one that I wanted. With the 3fps of the 5D you will have a little more than half the frames over a given sequence than the 30D.

If you are willing to shell out the extra money for a 5D, why not go a little further and get a 1D Mk II N, or even a used 1D Mk II. Then you'll have the ultimate sports camera and a fine portrait camera as well.

And most of those lens and bodies are owned by the very publications they work for. But a 1DMKII or N is only as good as the lens in front of it. If you have a 70-200 at a football game and that's your only telephoto, you are fairly screwed. You'd be useful in the end zone, but that's about it.

BTW, the NBA basketball, NCAA shooters, volleyball shooters who use strobes don't use the motor drive. The strobes don't recycle fast enough to handle the drives.

That's not saying that the FPS is not important, but there are other factors that are more important than just being able to press on the shutter.

I'm don't foresee myself ever shooting for SI Mag, but i know enough to get by.

RgB wrote in post #2397503
At one shot you can time the capture but when shooting a burst only the first shot you can time and the rest you don't have much control over. That's when the extra fps will help.

If you know what you are doing, you'll get more control over more than one shot.

I own a 5D, and I love it. I would not be happy with a cropped sensor. That said, I think if you are asking this question, the 5D is not the right choice. The 30D is cheaper and unless you are dedicated to a full frame sensor, it's not worth the issues it raises.

pcasciola wrote in post #2397540
Check the sidelines at the NFL games. You will see ten or more 5 and 8fps cameras to every one 3-4fps camera. What does that tell you?

I can't count how many times I took a sequence at 5fps with my 20D and missed the in between one that I wanted. With the 3fps of the 5D you will have a little more than half the frames over a given sequence than the 30D.

If you are willing to shell out the extra money for a 5D, why not go a little further and get a 1D Mk II N, or even a used 1D Mk II. Then you'll have the ultimate sports camera and a fine portrait camera as well.

OOO where could I get a used 1DMK II?

grego wrote in post #2397490
Buy what gives you the best kit. Glass is more important than your body(from my look at your sig), so get what you need to capture the action.

Oh and learning how to shoot is more important than having 5 or even 8 fps just to push down the shutter.

Oh I definately know that glass is very important.If you mean the technical side of shooting,I do know all that and it still keeps me interested.Im just wondering more about the FF sensor as apposed to the croped sensor.Cuz I would think having a FF would give a better look to a play developing of a pile or a breakaway on the court.