Canon 5D Mk II

Monito wrote in post #2502187
Sony is not selling a full-frame camera. They do supply Nikon's sensors, making business planning a headache for both companies regarding full-frame.

Nikon will continue to say that there is no need for full-frame and it is a waste, right up to the point when they announce a FF camera, at which time the party line will become that now it is perfected and it is the wave of the future.

Canon's product cycle has been 18 months, but the 1DsII is already 28 months old. Product cycles are lengthening, now that the DSLR market is maturing and approaching saturation (got a year or two to saturation yet). A 5D replacement is not guaranteed and if one appears, it may be a tweak like the 20D to 30D tweak. Don't expect a cheaper new model either, though one wouldn't surprise me.

This sounds like the patent clerk that decided to close the patent offie because he believed that all that can be invented have been invented and no new patent is necessary.

If the Canon 30D starts losing market share to the Nikon 80D and 200D you can be certain Canon is not going to wait 18 months to replace it. The engineers are already working on the next generation of camera be the time the current generation goes into production. If the marketing people need something to retain sales, they will get it. Just don't buy one that was produced in the first couple of months if it get marketed too quickly.

Just a quick note to the chicken head that says I need my head examined.

If FF was not in the immediate future why would other companies besides Canon start to produce cameras with them? Yup guess Canon has a small competitor now thats sturring sh-t up.

Well would you look at that. Olympus has only 3 Pro cameras and they all have FF sensors.

http://www.olympusamer​ica.com/e1/feat_qualit​y.asp

Nikon will be next, you will see so start crossing your fingers for your sake...

Thx for the great compliment joego, shows your a real pro (at flaming, not photography) with the great wording you choose.

gdl357 wrote in post #2506387
Just a quick note to the chicken head that says I need my head examined.

If FF was not in the immediate future why would other companies besides Canon start to produce cameras with them? Yup guess Canon has a small competitor now thats sturring sh-t up.

Well would you look at that. Olympus has only 3 Pro cameras and they all have FF sensors.

http://www.olympusamer​ica.com/e1/feat_qualit​y.asp

Nikon will be next, you will see so start crossing your fingers for your sake...

Thx for the great compliment joego, shows your a real pro (at flaming, not photography) with the great wording you choose.

Excuse me
Where do you see in that link of yours "FF sensors" ?

As far as I understand - these are Olympus "FFT-CCD" sensors (Full-frame Transfer), not FF (Full Frame size - 36x24 mm) sensors.

gdl357 wrote in post #2506387
Just a quick note to the chicken head that says I need my head examined.

If FF was not in the immediate future why would other companies besides Canon start to produce cameras with them? Yup guess Canon has a small competitor now thats sturring sh-t up.

Well would you look at that. Olympus has only 3 Pro cameras and they all have FF sensors.

http://www.olympusamer​ica.com/e1/feat_qualit​y.asp

Nikon will be next, you will see so start crossing your fingers for your sake...

Thx for the great compliment joego, shows your a real pro (at flaming, not photography) with the great wording you choose.

At present there are no FF sensor camera w/ dust removal. BTW OLY I believe promotes the 4:3 which doesn't fit into 2:3 of 35mm film aspect ratio. As Roli said ou're mistaking FFT for FF.

lostdoggy wrote in post #2506948
At present there are no FF sensor camera w/ dust removal.

At present there are no true FF sensor camera's (w. dust removal or not) besides Canon 1DsMrk-II and Canon 5D.

gdl357 wrote in post #2484696
NO way will I caugh up 2.5k on an old camera. I rather put it on the new 40d and sell it 6 months down the line when a 5D replacement comes out if they are not released at the same time.

I rather wait a few months and invest in a new unit. Money management 101.

FWIW, "Money Management 101" would tell you never to buy any product right after its release. The sale price of new products to market are set to take advantage of early adapters who are willing to pay inflated prices in order to have the latest and greatest. Once the early adapter surge has waned, the prices will be dropped in order to attract the next wave of buyers. And so on, and so on. Companies spend a lot of money to determine the "willingness to pay" values for various groups of consumers.

From a purely money point of view, now would be a great time to buy a 5D. They've never been cheaper and any impending updates will not affect the performance of the current 5D in any way. And, IMO, you are delusional if you think a well-kept 5D is going to sell for $500 in the next year and a half. Original DRebels are still being sold for $300-$400 and they've been updated twice.

GDL357,

As others have mentioned, Olympus uses the 4/3 sensor size, which results in a 2x crop factor.

From the same Web site you pointed to:

http://www.olympusamer​ica.com/e1/sys_lens_30​0mm.asp

You will note that they list the "35mm equivalent" length, which usually implies a crop factor of some sort.

Have Fun,

P.S. I'm not suggesting you have your whole head examined, but maybe you're due, at least, for the eyes.

Actually, with all the rebates and promo specials you could have recently purchased a 5D body for nicely under $2K. Why would you take such a large and inconvenient loss to jump from a platform that you've been happy with?

I was so happy with my first 5D that I just purchased a second body for my wedding backup; Dell had a heckuva' sale that I couldn't pass up .

The fact that the camera is 1.5 years old does not mean that it functions any less than it did when it first came out. The 5D with L glass outperforms many MF film cameras and gives me nearly the quality of my old Hasselblad gear.

gdl357 wrote in post #2473145
..........I need to buy a NEW model FF DSLR like a 5D, and there is no way I will be spending 2500 on a 1.5yo camera. If Canon won't pull one out early this year, I will surely sell all my Canon setup to move on to the one that does.

Thx

Couldn't agree more, unless there was a business case that FORCED you to make such a purchase (ie - busted camera, big $$$ job requires item, EXTREMELY old equipment...) I waited a full year before purchasing my 5D, which saved me $400 off sticker.

The second body I just purchased was $1511 off once you factor in the rebates. Agreed, now is a GREAT time to purchase a 5D.

BTBeilke wrote in post #2507666
FWIW, "Money Management 101" would tell you never to buy any product right after its release. The sale price of new products to market are set to take advantage of early adapters who are willing to pay inflated prices in order to have the latest and greatest. Once the early adapter surge has waned, the prices will be dropped in order to attract the next wave of buyers. .......

From a purely money point of view, now would be a great time to buy a 5D. They've never been cheaper and any impending updates will not affect the performance of the current 5D in any way. .......

I would buy a 5D in a second if it was weather-sealed.
And if Canon don't upgrade the 5D soon to weather sealing, I'll buy a 5D when the upgrade comes out.

Stuart,

Is the Dell deal you mentioned still available? Currently, the best deals (from anybody with whom I'd do business) that I can find put the 5D cost around $2100 after rebates.

Blane, unfortunatley this was a "fleeting" deal that only seemed to appear for a couple of days back around Thanksgiving. You just have to keep checking the site periodically in all areas.

It was one of those double, 15% discounts that you had to dig for. And it did not appear in all areas of the Dell site either, which did not strike me as very sporting. What I did learn though is that deals like these seem to randomly pop up on their site, and can sometimes be improved with various web coupons. It does take some irritating diligence though.

BTBeilke wrote in post #2508127
Stuart,

Is the Dell deal you mentioned still available? Currently, the best deals (from anybody with whom I'd do business) that I can find put the 5D cost around $2100 after rebates.

Yes, I would have liked weather sealing also as I do some hiking with it, and various weddings have been in poor weather .... but this has not hurt the camera. Is this your concern, or do you routinely take it into downpours ?

I do take care of my gear, and common sense handling of non-weather sealed equipment will give it many years of good life.

AdamJL wrote in post #2508106
I would buy a 5D in a second if it was weather-sealed.
And if Canon don't upgrade the 5D soon to weather sealing, I'll buy a 5D when the upgrade comes out.

Look where I live, I'm in the country of constant drizzle.

I would also like a body that can handle the extremes a bit better than the current 5D. I can afford a 1Ds Mk II but I'm not going to buy it as I don't think I'm a good enough photographer to warrant that expense.
I'll be doing some extreme travelling in the near future to Icey climes and jungles, and after taking my 350D into the Sahara a little while ago, I know how easy it is for a camera to suffer at the hands of the elements.
So even a mass-produced consumer camera can benefit from weather sealing!